Robert Lemmen <robertle@semistable.com> wrote:

Hi,

> while the EULA topic is already being discussed: there is at least one
> other package in the debian archive which displays a click-through EULA,
> namely xsane.

The one click-through that went away in 0.995-3?

JB.

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hi everyone,

while the EULA topic is already being discussed: there is at least one
other package in the debian archive which displays a click-through EULA,
namely xsane. could we agree on a policy addition that states that
individual packages may not do this, and be over with this nonsense for
good?

regards robert

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Julien,

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 07:18:52PM +0200, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> The one click-through that went away in 0.995-3?

If you are unsure of this and have to ask, you can look it up in the
changelog, maybe.


Michael


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Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> wrote:

>> The one click-through that went away in 0.995-3?
>
> If you are unsure of this and have to ask, you can look it up in the
> changelog, maybe.

I'm XSane's maintainer, in case you missed that.

JB.

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On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 07:18:52PM +0200, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> > while the EULA topic is already being discussed: there is at least one
> > other package in the debian archive which displays a click-through EULA,
> > namely xsane.
>
> The one click-through that went away in 0.995-3?

yes, i didn't get that it was removed in testing (thanks!)

still: can we make this a policy item?

cu robert

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* Robert Lemmen:

> still: can we make this a policy item?

The GPL version 2 permits it to display copyright notices and warranty
disclaimers, without being allowed to patch them away. This can be made
more obnoxious than one-time click-through EULAs, I fear.


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On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 01:58:03AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Robert Lemmen:
> > still: can we make this a policy item?
>
> The GPL version 2 permits it to display copyright notices and warranty
> disclaimers, without being allowed to patch them away. This can be made
> more obnoxious than one-time click-through EULAs, I fear.

That doesn't mean we should accept those in our distribution. We can
make a policy decision that end-users should not have to deal with
those.

Just saying, I'm not decided either way.


Michael


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On Fri, September 19, 2008 11:25, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 01:58:03AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>> * Robert Lemmen:
>>
>>> still: can we make this a policy item?

>> The GPL version 2 permits it to display copyright notices and warranty
>> disclaimers, without being allowed to patch them away. This can be made
>> more obnoxious than one-time click-through EULAs, I fear.
>
> That doesn't mean we should accept those in our distribution. We can
> make a policy decision that end-users should not have to deal with those.

In lenny we have none such packages that I know of. How about we start to
make policy when there's a real problem to be solved, and spend our time
fixing RC bugs meanwhile?


Thijs


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2008/9/19 Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org>:

>> The GPL version 2 permits it to display copyright notices and warranty
>> disclaimers, without being allowed to patch them away. This can be made
>> more obnoxious than one-time click-through EULAs, I fear.
>
> That doesn't mean we should accept those in our distribution. We can
> make a policy decision that end-users should not have to deal with
> those.

It makes sense. The same way that we're not allowing GFDL packages
with invariant sections, we might not want this feature/bug of GPL to
be used for that either. I would support making such a decision.

Greetings,
Miry


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* Miriam Ruiz:

> 2008/9/19 Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org>:
>
>>> The GPL version 2 permits it to display copyright notices and warranty
>>> disclaimers, without being allowed to patch them away. This can be made
>>> more obnoxious than one-time click-through EULAs, I fear.
>>
>> That doesn't mean we should accept those in our distribution. We can
>> make a policy decision that end-users should not have to deal with
>> those.
>
> It makes sense. The same way that we're not allowing GFDL packages
> with invariant sections, we might not want this feature/bug of GPL to
> be used for that either. I would support making such a decision.

I would support it too, provided that it's tied to a policy decision not
to accept works licensed under the AGPL into main.


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