On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Brian Mathis
<brian.mathis+centos@betteradmin.com> wrote:
> Aren't the SRPMs available for OEL? How about an "Indestructible
> CentOS" sub-distro?

Yes, the srpms are available. That' s completely possible to do

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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Craig White <craig.white@ttiltd.com> wrote:
> they want to sell SLA's which they sell cheaper than Red Hat which has caused a rather sucky side effect which makes it more difficult to produce customized kernels which would never have happened had Oracle not chosen to ride the coattails of Red Hat and undercut the pricing

Well, if you see it the other way around, Oracle' s -and SUSE' s and
any other competition that might come along- help puts RHAT pricing in
check...

In the end what matters is if Oracle's kernel programmers are any
better at fixing bugs than RHAT's and if their support responds on
time or not.

For us end users with no support contract, the more heads and firms
that are involved in kernel dev and linux support, the better, more
chance of getting higher quality software.

I see plenty of patches/fixes to the Linux kernel by Oracle employees...
http://goo.gl/MqjCl

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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM, <m.roth@5-cent.us> wrote:
> Don't worry, just as soon as Oracle drives RH under, or buys them, they'll
> crank up the prices to higher than RH now -

I don' t think that would happen anytime soon. AFAIK if you check
distrowatch Oracle Linux ranks #50 and CentOS ranks #8.

Also, I read somewhere that ORCL has 8,000 paid custmers to their
Linux subscription.... hardly a major player still.
But like I said, the more competition wrt pricing the better.

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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM, John R. Dennison <jrd@gerdesas.com> wrote:
> So for all your ramblings of commercialism these past few posts you
> would rather use something free instead of paying? Really?

I said that Oracle Database does not interest me, because MySQL /
PostgreSQL is enough for my simple needs.
And I couldn' t afford the price of Oracle's commercial database even
if I wanted to use it.

Now, their entry-level Linux support subscription is another thing...
if I start providing commercial services on top of a Linux box I'd
rather pay whatever entry level fee I can to get *some* level of
support (specially wrt priority security fixes). And there ORCL linux
is the most affordable compared to RHEL.

That's what I said and there's no contradiction.

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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Craig White <craig.white@ttiltd.com> wrote:
> >From my experience with Fernando on Fedora-List...

Hi there Craig

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On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:

> While I will not be petty enough to post a Migration script from Oracle
> Linux to CentOS (I can't believe they posted that ... REALLY?), I will
> likely help anyone who asks me for help with that specific migration.
----
I wouldn't describe your doing so as petty but rather providing a useful option as it seems certain that more users would find it useful to migrate from OEL --> CentOS than the other way but it is after all, about options.

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Fernando Cassia wrote:

> I don' t think that would happen anytime soon. AFAIK if you check
> distrowatch Oracle Linux ranks #50 and CentOS ranks #8.
>
> Also, I read somewhere that ORCL has 8,000 paid custmers to their
> Linux subscription.... hardly a major player still.
> But like I said, the more competition wrt pricing the better.

Be difficult to beat CentOS on price, surely?

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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Timothy Murphy <gayleard@eircom.net> wrote:
> Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
>> I don' t think that would happen anytime soon. AFAIK if you check
>> distrowatch Oracle Linux ranks #50 and CentOS ranks #8.
>>
>> Also, I read somewhere that ORCL has 8,000 paid custmers to their
>> Linux subscription.... hardly a major player still.
>> But like I said, the more competition wrt pricing the better.
>
> Be difficult to beat CentOS on price, surely?
>
RedHat and Oracle both provide value-add services. THAT is what you pay for.

Cheers,

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> RedHat and Oracle both provide value-add services. THAT is what you pay for.
>

But that flies in the face-value (rather than the hidden agenda) of
their statements... Oracle wouldn't *lie* to you would they?! /s

If someone wanted the 'value-added services of Oracle' they wouldn't
be using CentOS but rather paying customers already.... and if they
needed those services this 'free service to the community' Oracle is
offering would not be of help... since they'd need to pay anyway and
thus it would not be free...
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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:39:16AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> If someone wanted the 'value-added services of Oracle' they wouldn't
> be using CentOS but rather paying customers already.... and if they
> needed those services this 'free service to the community' Oracle is
> offering would not be of help... since they'd need to pay anyway and
> thus it would not be free...

If you look it from Oracle's perspective, this _should_ be a win-win.
They already need to manage a Linux distro for their vertical solutions
such as Exabyte. It makes sense for them to base it off of RedHat 'cos
their database product is already available for that platform.

So, for them, making the OS freely available is a close-to-zero marginal
cost. And, hey, they might pick up a few support contracts on the way.

A _user_, however, is in a different boat. Unless Oracle build a
community support system (like these lists), users of OL are gonna be
stuck. They're gonna have to beg for support from other areas. You can
be sure that some of them will try to get support from us, here.

I just don't see the value proposition of OL from a user perspective.

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