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Old 05-01-2012, 04:07 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
Default Maintainer for Krita on CentOS

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 17:14, Johnny Hughes <johnny@centos.org> wrote:
> I would be happy to maintain a CentOS-5 RPM and put it in the CentOS
> Extras repository.
>
>

Thank you Johnny! I will inform the Krita list now. Do you give your
permission that I may pass your email address on to the person
building the tarball?


> The requirements include:
>
> qt 4.6.0 or newer
>
> ======
>
> CentOS-5 has qt4 version "4.2.1-1.el5_7.1" *... are you sure it will work?
>

The guy building the tarball will be including Qt 4.6 in the tarball
and linking against that. He is building it now.


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Old 05-01-2012, 04:14 PM
Karanbir Singh
 
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On 05/01/2012 05:07 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> The guy building the tarball will be including Qt 4.6 in the tarball
> and linking against that. He is building it now.

erm... that is going to mean that everytime there is an update for
either QT or anything that it links into or anything that is in a lib
associated down that chain - the entire stack needs to be rebuilt. Are
you sure this is a good idea ?

- KB

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Old 05-01-2012, 04:43 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
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On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 19:14, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:
> On 05/01/2012 05:07 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> The guy building the tarball will be including Qt 4.6 in the tarball
>> and linking against that. He is building it now.
>
> erm... that is going to mean that everytime there is an update for
> either QT or anything that it links into or anything that is in a lib
> associated down that chain - the entire stack needs to be rebuilt. Are
> you sure this is a good idea ?
>

I'm not sure, but the guy who is maintaining it seems to think so. I
advised him to build for CentOS 6, not 5, but 5 is much more widely
distributed and there are other reasons for staying with CentOS 5,
such as AutoDesk support.

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Old 05-01-2012, 04:53 PM
 
Default Maintainer for Krita on CentOS

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 19:14, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:
>> On 05/01/2012 05:07 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> The guy building the tarball will be including Qt 4.6 in the tarball
>>> and linking against that. He is building it now.
>>
>> erm... that is going to mean that everytime there is an update for
>> either QT or anything that it links into or anything that is in a lib
>> associated down that chain - the entire stack needs to be rebuilt. Are
>> you sure this is a good idea ?
>
> I'm not sure, but the guy who is maintaining it seems to think so. I
> advised him to build for CentOS 6, not 5, but 5 is much more widely
> distributed and there are other reasons for staying with CentOS 5,
> such as AutoDesk support.

I hate having to worry about multiple libraries. And in updates of the
std. packages, it can break your specialized one. I would have to
recommend to your krista list to build against the library we have now.

A question: what new functionality does the newer library provide, noting
that it's a subrelease, *not* the next release, and so should only have
bug and security fixes?

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Old 05-01-2012, 04:59 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
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On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 19:53, <m.roth@5-cent.us> wrote:
> I hate having to worry about multiple libraries. And in updates of the
> std. packages, it can break your specialized one. I would have to
> recommend to your krista list to build against the library we have now.
>
> A question: what new functionality does the newer library provide, noting
> that it's a subrelease, *not* the next release, and so should only have
> bug and security fixes?
>

I am not sure what the newer Qt provides, but I know that many KDE
technologies rely on the latest-greatest Qt at the time of the KDE
release. Your knowledge and participation in the thread would be most
valuable, especially in this early stage:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.krita/5503

Thanks.

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2012/5/2 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>:
> On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 00:38 +0800, =E9=83=91=E6=96=87=E8=BE=89(Techlive Z=
heng) wrote:
>> 2012/4/5 Joshua Poehls <joshua@zduck.com>:
>> > Doh. I think that was it. Thank you...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Joshua Poehls
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jesse Juhani Jaara <jesse.jaara@gmail.=
com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> to, 2012-04-05 kello 07:41 -0500, Joshua Poehls kirjoitti:
>> >> > I started installing Arch in VirtualBox this morning but twice now =
the
>> >> > screen goes black at some point during (or right after) the package
>> >> > download step and never comes back.
>> >> Well Linux in general has a "powersaving" or "screensaving" feature
>> >> don't know the exact meaning/use of it, but anyway in console, if you
>> >> don't touch the keyboard for a while the screen will blank itself.
>> >> Pressing any key will wake it up again. Don't know if this is the thi=
ng
>> >> you are experiencing...
>> >>
>> I have similar problmes here. After upgrade to the newest linux
>> kernel, the virtualbox became unresponsed, and output a screen of
>> dignostic informations.
>>
>> Anyone knows what happend?
>
> I neither read the complete thread nor do I know what to do, but I
> remember that there was an issue regarding to an upgrade of X, when
> using Arch in VBox. Perhaps there's a solution or at least an
> explanation somewhere in the mailing list archive end 2011 or during
> 2012. Windoof still is fine in my VBox running on Arch ;D.
>
> - Ralf
>

In my situation, any massive disk operations would cause the same
result. The ssh console is dead and unresponsed, plenty of diagnostic
information output to tty1, and I do not have an X installed on my
vbox.

Here is my last system upgrade information.

[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded autoconf (2.68-2 -> 2.69-1)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded automake (1.11.3-1 -> 1.12-1)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded bash-completion (1.3-3 -> 1.99-2)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded binutils (2.22-4 -> 2.22-6)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded device-mapper (2.02.90-1 -> 2.02.95-2)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded popt (1.16-4 -> 1.16-5)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded cryptsetup (1.4.1-1 -> 1.4.1-3)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded dhcpcd (5.5.4-1 -> 5.5.6-1)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded filesystem (2012.2-2 -> 2012.2-4)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded fakeroot (1.18.2-1 -> 1.18.3-1)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded freetype2 (2.4.9-1 -> 2.4.9-2)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded fuse (2.8.7-1 -> 2.9.0-1)
[2012-05-01 22:04] upgraded ppl (0.12-1 -> 0.12.1-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded gcc (4.6.3-1 -> 4.7.0-5)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded git (1.7.9.4-1 -> 1.7.10-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded grep (2.11-2 -> 2.12-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded iproute2 (3.2.0-2 -> 3.3.0-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded initscripts (2012.02.1-1 -> 2012.03.2-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded kbproto (1.0.5-2 -> 1.0.6-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded keyutils (1.5.5-1 -> 1.5.5-2)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded krb5 (1.9.2-2 -> 1.10.1-2)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded libevent (2.0.17-1 -> 2.0.18-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded libltdl (2.4.2-4 -> 2.4.2-5)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded libmysqlclient (5.5.21-1 -> 5.5.23-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded libpng (1.5.9-1 -> 1.5.10-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded libtool (2.4.2-4 -> 2.4.2-5)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded xproto (7.0.22-1 -> 7.0.23-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded libx11 (1.4.99.1-1 -> 1.4.99.901-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded libxt (1.1.2-2 -> 1.1.3-1)
[2012-05-01 22:05] upgraded mkinitcpio (0.8.4-1 -> 0.8.7-2)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded linux (3.2.9-1 -> 3.3.4-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded lvm2 (2.02.90-1 -> 2.02.95-2)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded man-pages (3.37-1 -> 3.39-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded mdadm (3.2.3-1 -> 3.2.3-2)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded mysql-clients (5.5.21-1 -> 5.5.23-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded mysql (5.5.21-1 -> 5.5.23-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded rpcbind (0.2.0-6 -> 0.2.0-8)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded nfs-utils (1.2.5-2 -> 1.2.5-4)
[2012-05-01 22:07] installed dnssec-anchors (20120422-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] installed ldns (1.6.12-2)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded openssh (5.9p1-5 -> 6.0p1-2)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded pcmciautils (018-1 -> 018-4)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded php (5.3.10-4 -> 5.3.11-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded php-apache (5.3.10-4 -> 5.3.11-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded php-gd (5.3.10-4 -> 5.3.11-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded php-mcrypt (5.3.10-4 -> 5.3.11-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded php-pear (5.3.10-4 -> 5.3.11-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded phpmyadmin (3.4.10.1-1 -> 3.5.0-1)
[2012-05-01 22:07] upgraded procps (3.2.8-4 -> 3.2.8-5)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded psmisc (22.15-1 -> 22.16-1)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded sshfs (2.3-2 -> 2.4-1)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded syslog-ng (3.3.4-2 -> 3.3.4-5)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded vim-runtime (7.3.434-1 -> 7.3.495-3)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded vim (7.3.434-1 -> 7.3.495-3)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded virtualbox-archlinux-modules (4.1.10-1 -> 4.1.1=
4-2)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded virtualbox-archlinux-additions (4.1.10-1
-> 4.1.14-2)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded xcb-proto (1.7-2 -> 1.7.1-1)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded xdebug (2.1.3-2 -> 2.1.4-1)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded xextproto (7.2.0-2 -> 7.2.1-1)
[2012-05-01 22:08] upgraded xfsprogs (3.1.7-1 -> 3.1.8-1)

Any help?
 
Old 05-01-2012, 05:17 PM
 
Default Maintainer for Krita on CentOS

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 19:53, <m.roth@5-cent.us> wrote:
>> I hate having to worry about multiple libraries. And in updates of the
>> std. packages, it can break your specialized one. I would have to
>> recommend to your krista list to build against the library we have now.
>>
>> A question: what new functionality does the newer library provide,
>> noting that it's a subrelease, *not* the next release, and so should
only have
>> bug and security fixes?
>
> I am not sure what the newer Qt provides, but I know that many KDE
> technologies rely on the latest-greatest Qt at the time of the KDE
> release. Your knowledge and participation in the thread would be most
> valuable, especially in this early stage:
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.krita/5503

a) You do understand what I'm saying about subreleases vs. release? That
there shouldn't be anything that new (as opposed to, say, python 10-12
years ago, where each subrelease broke everything)? I would strongly urge
you to pass that question to the krista list.
b) I'd love to do some programming again, but a day job and a life outside
work (see (c)), I don't have time, and
c) I most certainly will *NOT* be on the list next week, as I'm getting
remarried Sat....

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Old 05-01-2012, 06:02 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
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On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 20:17, <m.roth@5-cent.us> wrote:
> a) You do understand what I'm saying about subreleases vs. release? That
> there shouldn't be anything that new (as opposed to, say, python 10-12
> years ago, where each subrelease broke everything)? I would strongly urge
> you to pass that question to the krista list.

Yes, I understand. He is building against Qt 4.8 or thereabout,
whereas CentOS 5.8 ships with Qt 3.x. I see these Qt 4.7 packages,
but it is not clear to me that using them is what you are suggesting:
http://joseph.freivald.com/linux/2011/09/23/qt-4-7-4-and-qt-creator-2-3-0-for-centosrhel-5/


> b) I'd love to do some programming again, but a day job and a life outside
> work (see (c)), I don't have time, and
> c) I most certainly will *NOT* be on the list next week, as I'm getting
> remarried Sat....
>

Congratulations! I hope that your new marriage turns out better than
the first one.


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Old 05-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Michael Lampe
 
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<m.roth at 5-cent.us> wrote:

>>> erm... that is going to mean that everytime there is an update for
>>> either QT or anything that it links into or anything that is in a lib
>>> associated down that chain - the entire stack needs to be rebuilt. Are
>>> you sure this is a good idea ?
>>
>> I'm not sure, but the guy who is maintaining it seems to think so. I
>> advised him to build for CentOS 6, not 5, but 5 is much more widely
>> distributed and there are other reasons for staying with CentOS 5,
>> such as AutoDesk support.
>
> I hate having to worry about multiple libraries. And in updates of the
> std. packages, it can break your specialized one. I would have to
> recommend to your krista list to build against the library we have now.

Nothing in el5 depends on the qt4-4.2.x that ships with el5. It's an
old, rotten, and completely pointless package. Nothing of any interest
could be build with it for years now, probably never ever was it of any
use to anyone.

I replaced it with a rebuild of qt4-4.6.2-20 from el6. This gives me a
common and useable base for both el5 and el6.

That could be a sensible approach for a krita.el5 package, too.

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Old 05-15-2012, 07:56 PM
Johnny Hughes
 
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On 05/14/2012 04:14 PM, Michael Lampe wrote:
> <m.roth at 5-cent.us> wrote:
>
>>>> erm... that is going to mean that everytime there is an update for
>>>> either QT or anything that it links into or anything that is in a lib
>>>> associated down that chain - the entire stack needs to be rebuilt. Are
>>>> you sure this is a good idea ?
>>> I'm not sure, but the guy who is maintaining it seems to think so. I
>>> advised him to build for CentOS 6, not 5, but 5 is much more widely
>>> distributed and there are other reasons for staying with CentOS 5,
>>> such as AutoDesk support.
>> I hate having to worry about multiple libraries. And in updates of the
>> std. packages, it can break your specialized one. I would have to
>> recommend to your krista list to build against the library we have now.
> Nothing in el5 depends on the qt4-4.2.x that ships with el5. It's an
> old, rotten, and completely pointless package. Nothing of any interest
> could be build with it for years now, probably never ever was it of any
> use to anyone.
>
> I replaced it with a rebuild of qt4-4.6.2-20 from el6. This gives me a
> common and useable base for both el5 and el6.
>
> That could be a sensible approach for a krita.el5 package, too.
>

I would certainly build and put that package into centosplus for el5 ..
it would give us the ability build several el6 packages for el5 too ...
if Kitra will work with that, then this might be able to move forward.

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