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"Rushton Martin" 11-16-2011 09:21 AM

UC What happened to 6.1
 
One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow
downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another machine
and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case!


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-----Original Message-----
From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On
Behalf Of Nataraj
Sent: 15 November 2011 23:22
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Subject: Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1

<snip>

This keeps the distributed ISO's compatible with the upstream.
Installing the CentOS 6.0 ISO is equivalent to installing the upstream's
6.0 ISO. I once had to deal with a commercial software package that
required that it be installed on Redhat 4.2 or something like that. If
you installed updates, the software didn't work.

The current build problems are hopefully a temporary situation and if
they are resolved CentOS users will have the option of the rolling
updates or waiting for the update release. For "most" users, installing
updates from the CR repo is the best choice, but there could be
exceptions.

Nataraj

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John Hodrien 11-16-2011 09:29 AM

UC What happened to 6.1
 
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Rushton Martin wrote:

> One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow
> downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another machine
> and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case!

I really don't get your point. How is that worse than an update repo, or even
a full 6.1 release. In both cases you're forced to get it past your firewall
by some method, even if that is sneakernet.

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Nataraj 11-16-2011 05:07 PM

UC What happened to 6.1
 
On 11/16/2011 02:21 AM, Rushton Martin wrote:
> One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow
> downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another machine
> and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case!
Unfortunately, I don't know of any distros that cater to anyone with
that level of security requirement anymore (or even someone who just
didn't have an Internet connection). There used to be distros where you
could receive updates monthly on a CDROM. Nowaday's all distros that
I'm aware of require internet access. I believe Apple has stopped
offering CD's or USB sticks of their OS and instead offer a BIOS that
knows how to install over the Internet.

Nataraj

>
> Martin Rushton
> HPC System Manager, Weapons Technologies
> Tel: 01959 514777, Mobile: 07939 219057
> email: jmrushton@QinetiQ.com
> www.QinetiQ.com
> QinetiQ - Delivering customer-focused solutions
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Nataraj
> Sent: 15 November 2011 23:22
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
>
> <snip>
>
> This keeps the distributed ISO's compatible with the upstream.
> Installing the CentOS 6.0 ISO is equivalent to installing the upstream's
> 6.0 ISO. I once had to deal with a commercial software package that
> required that it be installed on Redhat 4.2 or something like that. If
> you installed updates, the software didn't work.
>
> The current build problems are hopefully a temporary situation and if
> they are resolved CentOS users will have the option of the rolling
> updates or waiting for the update release. For "most" users, installing
> updates from the CR repo is the best choice, but there could be
> exceptions.
>
> Nataraj
>
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Rainer Duffner 11-16-2011 05:30 PM

UC What happened to 6.1
 
Am 16.11.2011 um 19:07 schrieb Nataraj:

> On 11/16/2011 02:21 AM, Rushton Martin wrote:
>> One exception is those machines behind a firewall that does not allow
>> downloads. The only upgrade path then is to download on another machine
>> and burn DVDs. CR repos are not helpful in such a case!
> Unfortunately, I don't know of any distros that cater to anyone with
> that level of security requirement anymore (or even someone who just
> didn't have an Internet connection). There used to be distros where you
> could receive updates monthly on a CDROM. Nowaday's all distros that
> I'm aware of require internet access. I believe Apple has stopped
> offering CD's or USB sticks of their OS and instead offer a BIOS that
> knows how to install over the Internet.


No, you can still by Mac OS on an USB-stick.

IMO, not letting machines download updates even from an internal, non-public mirror is just brain-dead.
Sure, you can put that same mirror onto a large USB-stick, walk up to the machine and do a local yum-update.
But that really does not scale at all.
It's a mis-use of the sysadmin's most precious resource: time.


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John Hodrien 11-16-2011 06:29 PM

UC What happened to 6.1
 
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Nataraj wrote:

> Unfortunately, I don't know of any distros that cater to anyone with
> that level of security requirement anymore (or even someone who just
> didn't have an Internet connection). There used to be distros where you
> could receive updates monthly on a CDROM. Nowaday's all distros that
> I'm aware of require internet access. I believe Apple has stopped
> offering CD's or USB sticks of their OS and instead offer a BIOS that
> knows how to install over the Internet.

The way updates are shipped (in rpm form in a yum repo) works perfectly fine
if you copy it onto portable media. I'd argue CentOS *does* cater for those
people. Yum doesn't assume things are on the network, it's quite happy
pointing at file based repos.

jh
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