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The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or did the site maintainers just forget about it.




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On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 13:45 +0200, Janez Kosmrlj wrote:

> The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications
> for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or
> did the site maintainers just forget about it.

The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can
assist ?


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On 09/16/2011 01:00 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 13:45 +0200, Janez Kosmrlj wrote:
>
>> The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications
>> for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or
>> did the site maintainers just forget about it.
>
> The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can
> assist ?
>
>

No, only a select few have the appropriate privileges to perform that task.

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On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 02:54 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
> On 09/16/2011 01:00 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 13:45 +0200, Janez Kosmrlj wrote:
> >
> >> The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications
> >> for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or
> >> did the site maintainers just forget about it.
> >
> > The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can
> > assist ?
> >
> >
>
> No, only a select few have the appropriate privileges to perform that task.

Regrettably those few have not been performing much web site activity
for a noticeable period of time. For example, see below.

Its time to express thanks to the previous web team and invite fresh
volunteers to continue the work.

Regards,

Paul.

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On 09/17/2011 03:23 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 02:54 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
>> On 09/16/2011 01:00 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 13:45 +0200, Janez Kosmrlj wrote:
>>>
>>>> The page http://www.centos.org/product.html has product specifications
>>>> for all centos releases except for centos6. Is there a reason why or
>>>> did the site maintainers just forget about it.
>>>
>>> The Centos web site needs updating. Perhaps willing volunteers can
>>> assist ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, only a select few have the appropriate privileges to perform that task.
>
> Regrettably those few have not been performing much web site activity
> for a noticeable period of time. For example, see below.
>
> Its time to express thanks to the previous web team and invite fresh
> volunteers to continue the work.
>

As I said above, this isn't something people can volunteer for - only a
very select few have the appropriate privileges to perform the task.
There are trust issues.

However, you can file a bug report against the website.

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On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 03:32 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:

> As I said above, this isn't something people can volunteer for - only
> a very select few have the appropriate privileges to perform the task.
> There are trust issues.
>
> However, you can file a bug report against the website.

What is the point in 'complaining' by filing a BUG report when it is
conspicuously evident the existing web person(s) can not cope because
they have insufficient time or have died or have withdrawn from an
active Centos involvement.

Ideally the Centos Management Board could use this list and other lists
to ask for web help.

You wrote about 'trust issues'. Surely it just a web site which can have
access restricted to all the web pages or some of them and that access
be withdrawn for 'trust issues' after the volunteers have finished
updating it ? That is very easy to do on Centos / Apache.

Another method is to give the volunteers a demo sub-domain, for example:
new.centos.org, and let the volunteers construct an updated version
there. When it is approved by the Centos Management Board, those
refreshed web pages can be moved to www.centos.org. Simple, eh (and not
a trace of SQL joins or views anywhere) :-)

Best regards,

Paul.


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On 09/17/2011 03:44 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 03:32 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
>
>> As I said above, this isn't something people can volunteer for - only
>> a very select few have the appropriate privileges to perform the task.
>> There are trust issues.
>>
>> However, you can file a bug report against the website.
>
> What is the point in 'complaining' by filing a BUG report when it is
> conspicuously evident the existing web person(s) can not cope because
> they have insufficient time or have died or have withdrawn from an
> active Centos involvement.
>

Because as far as the CentOS Project is concerned, if there isn't a bug
report the issue doesn't exist. Those that can fix the issue don't
necessarily read the users mailing list so the correct thing to do is
file a bug report.

> Ideally the Centos Management Board could use this list and other lists
> to ask for web help.
>
> You wrote about 'trust issues'. Surely it just a web site which can have
> access restricted to all the web pages or some of them and that access
> be withdrawn for 'trust issues' after the volunteers have finished
> updating it ? That is very easy to do on Centos / Apache.
>
> Another method is to give the volunteers a demo sub-domain, for example:
> new.centos.org, and let the volunteers construct an updated version
> there. When it is approved by the Centos Management Board, those
> refreshed web pages can be moved to www.centos.org. Simple, eh (and not
> a trace of SQL joins or views anywhere) :-)
>

There is an ongoing Website V2 sub-project that has been running for
some time:

http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2
http://qaweb.dev.centos.org/websitever2/

Feel free to get involved.

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On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 04:06 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:

> There is an ongoing Website V2 sub-project that has been running for
> some time:
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2
> http://qaweb.dev.centos.org/websitever2/

Can't see any new web site on the latter URL. I'm not a Flash user by
choice.

Perhaps the Centos web site should be simple, practical, helpful in
preference to emulating the very latest presentation gimmicks ? A larger
font size will be useful for most people over 40 years of age.

> Feel free to get involved.

My work load is excessive and will be so for probably another 6 to 12
months and I have told KB I'm willing to organise some Centos events. I
also have my own web sites of about 9,000 pages to overhaul and new
pages on another site to write, as news editor, and then publish.


Paul.



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On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Always Learning wrote:

>> However, you can file a bug report against the website.
>
> What is the point in 'complaining' by filing a BUG report when it is
> conspicuously evident the existing web person(s) can not cope because
> they have insufficient time or have died or have withdrawn from an
> active Centos involvement.

If there is no bug, there is no statement of a problem to slot
and to consider how to resolve. This was the rule from
before CentOS started, and remains the case. All bug filings
are read by several reviewers. If a person is unhappy with
how CentOS addresses matters and * needs * deterministic
timeframes for answers, go buy a SLA. If unhappy with the
project, leave and stop using its resources

As to withdrawal from listening here, has it ever occurred
that the sustained OT noise and disrespect of a resource
freely provided is in part causative of the ill you whine
about. It's just not worth the effort to wade through a
cesspool day after day. Entropy wins again

I understand from off list correspondence with you, 'Always',
that you consider it relaxation and sport to troll here and
'stir the pot'. Most others see a post from you and deem it a
major 'buzzkill', based on the complaints I get in email and
in IRC

Sad, as the tragedy of the commons, and the incessant shouting
of a troll, and the insistence of a few of their right to
always 'have the last word,' have, in part, sapped the life
out of what was a vibrant project three and four years ago

Ah, well, life goes on, and new greener pastures of fresh
projects await over the hill into tomorrow

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On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Always Learning wrote:

> Can't see any new web site on the latter URL. I'm not a Flash user by
> choice.

> Perhaps the Centos web site should be simple, practical, helpful in
> preference to emulating the very latest presentation gimmicks ? A larger
> font size will be useful for most people over 40 years of age.

yeah -- fiddling with websites is a major priority, compared
to, say, issuing a update that, frankly, was flawless on
several hundred machines I've run the 5.7 bump on. While I
wish QA could happen faster, some interesting and picky corner
cases were spotted and never bit the millions of machines
outside of QA test units

>> Feel free to get involved.
>
> My work load is excessive and will be so for probably another 6 to 12
> months and I have told KB I'm willing to organise some Centos events. I

what a crock -- go cry elsewhere, troll

I suppose I'll have to take up mailing list moderation issues
again -- The person I needed to talk with is already away for
the weekend, however. Fortunately we have already covered the
topic of addressing your spam and have consensus as to how to
proceed

It is _so_ much more useful and rewarding to be a kindergarten
playground monitor, than to do that pesky business of bug
testing and package building ... not

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