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Old 11-23-2010, 12:02 PM
Keith Roberts
 
Default Latex - was Novell sale news?

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Robert Heller wrote:

> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> From: Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?
>
> At Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:10:41 -0500 CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 14:42 -0500, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
>>>> Barry Brimer wrote:
>>>>>> Just saw that today. I wonder if any of those assets is the superior
>>>>> (and utterly badly marketed) WordPerfect.
>>>>> I thought Novell sold WordPerfect to Corel a long time ago.
>>>> Maybe - I've lost track. I'm still waiting for *anyone* to actually
>>>> market the damn thing - I'd *buy* it (or rather, upgrade from 6.0.c for
>>>> DOS)....
>>>> I'll take it over Word *or* OO.o, any day.
>>>
>>> It is nearly antique at this point.
>>>
>> Why do you call it that? What features are missing (and I haven't looked
>> at a current copy in 10 years, btw). In general, I don't see *anything* I
>> couldn't have done with the one from back then.
>>
>>> Recent OOo has worked extremely well for me; editing complex 200+ page
>>> documents with refereces, TOCs, & indexes. I've really become a fan of
>>> OOo starting in the 3.2.x series.
>>>
>> I guarantee WP 10-12 years ago could handle all that - most City of
>> Chicago, and I think federal contracts, used to specify that documents be
>> in WP format.
>>
>> Besides, the files were always *much* smaller, and you could always beat
>> it into submission with <alt><F3>, I think it was, and the way it revealed
>> formatting... I was amazed that they didn't market that straight for
>> designing web pages. AND not a single word processor or web page building
>> I've seen writes them clean: both Word and OO.o write out *crap*, with
>> font size and font and color and every damn thing on every single line,
>> rather than only when something changes.
>
> And I *still* use LaTeX. *I* won't touch a "word processor" (I tried
> OO *once* to create a mess-word version of my resume and it was a total
> disaster). I routinely create documents with something close to 1000 pages,
> with refereces, TOCs, & indexes, etc. Way back when I've created
> rather large documents with LaTeX *on a 10mhz 68000* with only 1Meg (yes
> *one* meg) of RAM (this was an Atari 1040ST running OS-9/68000). And a
> 40 *meg* hard drive. Talk about small footprint software. With
> pdflatex and tex4ht I can generate PDF directly and *clean* HTML. And
> both using Makefiles with automated tools. And TeX/LaTeX is open
> source.

Are you aware of lyx, a front end to Latex?

I used it to create the Kickstart User Guide in PDF format.

LyX combines the power and flexibility of TeX/LaTeX with the
ease of use of a graphical interface. This results in
world-class support for creation of mathematical content
(via a fully integrated equation editor) and structured
documents like academic articles, theses, and books. In
addition, staples of scientific authoring such as reference
list and index creation come standard. But you can also use
LyX to create a letter or a novel or a theatre play or film
script. A broad array of ready, well-designed document
layouts are built in.

LyX is released under a Free Software/Open Source license,
runs on Linux/Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X, and is available
in several languages.

It's in the EPEL repo.

Name : lyx
Arch : i386
Version : 1.6.6.1
Release : 1.el5
Size : 9.9 M
Repo : installed
Summary : WYSIWYM (What You See Is What You Mean) document processor
URL : http://www.lyx.org/
License : GPLv2+
Description: LyX is a modern approach to writing documents
: which breaks with the
: obsolete "typewriter paradigm" of most other
: document preparation systems.

Keith

--
In theory, theory and practice are the same;
in practice they are not.

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Old 11-23-2010, 01:29 PM
Robert Heller
 
Default Latex - was Novell sale news?

At Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:02:35 +0000 (GMT) CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org> wrote:

>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Robert Heller wrote:
>
> > To: CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org>
> > From: Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?
> >
> > At Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:10:41 -0500 CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 14:42 -0500, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
> >>>> Barry Brimer wrote:
> >>>>>> Just saw that today. I wonder if any of those assets is the superior
> >>>>> (and utterly badly marketed) WordPerfect.
> >>>>> I thought Novell sold WordPerfect to Corel a long time ago.
> >>>> Maybe - I've lost track. I'm still waiting for *anyone* to actually
> >>>> market the damn thing - I'd *buy* it (or rather, upgrade from 6.0.c for
> >>>> DOS)....
> >>>> I'll take it over Word *or* OO.o, any day.
> >>>
> >>> It is nearly antique at this point.
> >>>
> >> Why do you call it that? What features are missing (and I haven't looked
> >> at a current copy in 10 years, btw). In general, I don't see *anything* I
> >> couldn't have done with the one from back then.
> >>
> >>> Recent OOo has worked extremely well for me; editing complex 200+ page
> >>> documents with refereces, TOCs, & indexes. I've really become a fan of
> >>> OOo starting in the 3.2.x series.
> >>>
> >> I guarantee WP 10-12 years ago could handle all that - most City of
> >> Chicago, and I think federal contracts, used to specify that documents be
> >> in WP format.
> >>
> >> Besides, the files were always *much* smaller, and you could always beat
> >> it into submission with <alt><F3>, I think it was, and the way it revealed
> >> formatting... I was amazed that they didn't market that straight for
> >> designing web pages. AND not a single word processor or web page building
> >> I've seen writes them clean: both Word and OO.o write out *crap*, with
> >> font size and font and color and every damn thing on every single line,
> >> rather than only when something changes.
> >
> > And I *still* use LaTeX. *I* won't touch a "word processor" (I tried
> > OO *once* to create a mess-word version of my resume and it was a total
> > disaster). I routinely create documents with something close to 1000 pages,
> > with refereces, TOCs, & indexes, etc. Way back when I've created
> > rather large documents with LaTeX *on a 10mhz 68000* with only 1Meg (yes
> > *one* meg) of RAM (this was an Atari 1040ST running OS-9/68000). And a
> > 40 *meg* hard drive. Talk about small footprint software. With
> > pdflatex and tex4ht I can generate PDF directly and *clean* HTML. And
> > both using Makefiles with automated tools. And TeX/LaTeX is open
> > source.
>
> Are you aware of lyx, a front end to Latex?

Yes. Never used it. I use a *plain text editor* to edit LaTeX source.
Always have and always will.

>
> I used it to create the Kickstart User Guide in PDF format.
>
> LyX combines the power and flexibility of TeX/LaTeX with the
> ease of use of a graphical interface. This results in
> world-class support for creation of mathematical content
> (via a fully integrated equation editor) and structured
> documents like academic articles, theses, and books. In
> addition, staples of scientific authoring such as reference
> list and index creation come standard. But you can also use
> LyX to create a letter or a novel or a theatre play or film
> script. A broad array of ready, well-designed document
> layouts are built in.
>
> LyX is released under a Free Software/Open Source license,
> runs on Linux/Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X, and is available
> in several languages.
>
> It's in the EPEL repo.
>
> Name : lyx
> Arch : i386
> Version : 1.6.6.1
> Release : 1.el5
> Size : 9.9 M
> Repo : installed
> Summary : WYSIWYM (What You See Is What You Mean) document processor
> URL : http://www.lyx.org/
> License : GPLv2+
> Description: LyX is a modern approach to writing documents
> : which breaks with the
> : obsolete "typewriter paradigm" of most other
> : document preparation systems.
>
> Keith
>

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Old 11-23-2010, 04:01 PM
R P Herrold
 
Default Latex - was Novell sale news?

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Robert Heller wrote:

160 lines of largely untrimmed quoted cr*p

You know better, Robert and by your action you say you just
don't care. This kind of behaviour is the best way I can
think of to drive people away from reading the list

My prior working rule on this list (and other) is that if a
person cannot trim within the first screen, it gets trashed
without being read further. We had a 'no discernable
trimming' problem on the mirror list to the same effect last
week, and two other @centos.org 'beat me to the punch' trying
to get the clear disregard of the CentOS mailing list policies
there. "deleting non-applicable text as required" [1] [2]

I'll have to start adding a response rule to 'shame' offenders
here, I guess

-- Russ herrold

[1] http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=16
[2] http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-mirror/2010-November/004274.html

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