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Old 08-03-2010, 10:36 AM
ken
 
Default yum doesn't exit

Running "yum update", yum appears to perform fine and appears to finish
but continues to reside in memory:

...
Updating : lftp 2/4
Cleanup : lftp 3/4
Cleanup : freetype 4/4

Updated:
freetype.i386 0:2.2.1-25.el5_5 lftp.i386 0:3.7.11-4.el5_5.3


Complete!
# ps -ef|grep yum
root 1384 1336 0 06:21 pts/0 00:00:00 grep yum
root 2229 1 0 Jul06 ? 00:00:11 /usr/bin/python -tt
/usr/sbin/yum-updatesd
....

Running the above "ps -ef|grep yum" again after composing this email,
process 2229 is still running (several minutes later). And this machine
isn't particularly busy:

# vmstat
procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system--
-----cpu------
r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy
id wa st
0 0 64 42268 73752 139556 0 0 0 2 8 4 1 0
99 0 0


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Old 08-03-2010, 10:52 AM
John Doe
 
Default yum doesn't exit

From: ken <gebser@mousecar.com>

> Running "yum update", yum appears to perform fine and appears to finish
> but continues to reside in memory:
> Complete!
> # ps -ef|grep yum
> root 1384 1336 0 06:21 pts/0 00:00:00 grep yum
> root 2229 1 0 Jul06 ? 00:00:11 /usr/bin/python -tt
> /usr/sbin/yum-updatesd
> ....

yum-updatesd is not yum.
man yum-updatesd

JD



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Old 08-03-2010, 01:25 PM
ken
 
Default yum doesn't exit

On 08/03/2010 06:52 AM John Doe wrote:
> From: ken <gebser@mousecar.com>
>
>> ....
>
> yum-updatesd is not yum.
> man yum-updateeresd
>
> JD

Thanks, JD. Sorry, I copy-and-pasted from the wrong machine.

Trying again: it's happened to me a few times now that when I run "yum
update", it fails like this:

The other application is: yum-updatesd-he
Memory : 31 M RSS ( 74 MB VSZ)
Started: Tue Aug 3 04:40:05 2010 - 1:25:42 ago
State : Running, pid: 32006
Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit...
The other application is: yum-updatesd-he
Memory : 31 M RSS ( 74 MB VSZ)
Started: Tue Aug 3 04:40:05 2010 - 1:25:44 ago
State : Running, pid: 32006
Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit...
The other application is: yum-updatesd-he
Memory : 31 M RSS ( 74 MB VSZ)
Started: Tue Aug 3 04:40:05 2010 - 1:25:46 ago
State : Running, pid: 32006
Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit...
The other application is: yum-updatesd-he
Memory : 31 M RSS ( 74 MB VSZ)
Started: Tue Aug 3 04:40:05 2010 - 1:25:48 ago
State : Running, pid: 32006


Exiting on user cancel.

# ps -ef|grep yum
root 864 3195 0 06:06 pts/1 00:00:00 grep yum
root 2632 1 0 Jul27 ? 00:05:13 /usr/bin/python -tt
/usr/sbin/yum-updatesd
root 32006 2632 1 04:40 ? 00:00:54 /usr/bin/python -tt
/usr/libexec/yum-updatesd-helper --check --dbus


After killing 32006, then 2632, "yum update" ran fine. (Perhaps I
didn't need to kill the second one... 2632. Dunno.)





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Old 08-03-2010, 01:51 PM
 
Default yum doesn't exit

ken wrote:
> On 08/03/2010 06:52 AM John Doe wrote:
>> From: ken <gebser@mousecar.com>
>>> ....
<snip>
> Trying again: it's happened to me a few times now that when I run "yum
> update", it fails like this:
>
> The other application is: yum-updatesd-he
> Memory : 31 M RSS ( 74 MB VSZ)
> Started: Tue Aug 3 04:40:05 2010 - 1:25:42 ago
> State : Running, pid: 32006
> Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit...
> The other application is: yum-updatesd-he
> Memory : 31 M RSS ( 74 MB VSZ)
> Started: Tue Aug 3 04:40:05 2010 - 1:25:44 ago
> State : Running, pid: 32006
<snip>
> # ps -ef|grep yum
> root 864 3195 0 06:06 pts/1 00:00:00 grep yum
> root 2632 1 0 Jul27 ? 00:05:13 /usr/bin/python -tt
> /usr/sbin/yum-updatesd
> root 32006 2632 1 04:40 ? 00:00:54 /usr/bin/python -tt
> /usr/libexec/yum-updatesd-helper --check --dbus
>
> After killing 32006, then 2632, "yum update" ran fine. (Perhaps I
> didn't need to kill the second one... 2632. Dunno.)

Yep - if any version of yum is running, no other will. At work, I do *not*
have yum-updatesd turned up - I want to control when and what. Certainly,
I don't want to update, say, firefox while folks are using it on their
desktops. And some managers are rather picky as to what servers get
updated, and when, esp. their production boxes. So, it's tedious, but I
have control - yum runs when I run it, and not otherwise.

mark

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Old 08-03-2010, 02:19 PM
JohnS
 
Default yum doesn't exit

On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 09:51 -0400, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
> ken wrote:
> > On 08/03/2010 06:52 AM John Doe wrote:
> >> From: ken <gebser@mousecar.com>
> >>> ....
> <snip>
> > Trying again: it's happened to me a few times now that when I run "yum
> > update", it fails like this:
> >
> > The other application is: yum-updatesd-he
> > Memory : 31 M RSS ( 74 MB VSZ)
> > Started: Tue Aug 3 04:40:05 2010 - 1:25:42 ago
> > State : Running, pid: 32006
> > Another app is currently holding the yum lock; waiting for it to exit...
> > The other application is: yum-updatesd-he
> > Memory : 31 M RSS ( 74 MB VSZ)
> > Started: Tue Aug 3 04:40:05 2010 - 1:25:44 ago
> > State : Running, pid: 32006
> <snip>
> > # ps -ef|grep yum
> > root 864 3195 0 06:06 pts/1 00:00:00 grep yum
> > root 2632 1 0 Jul27 ? 00:05:13 /usr/bin/python -tt
> > /usr/sbin/yum-updatesd
> > root 32006 2632 1 04:40 ? 00:00:54 /usr/bin/python -tt
> > /usr/libexec/yum-updatesd-helper --check --dbus
> >
> > After killing 32006, then 2632, "yum update" ran fine. (Perhaps I
> > didn't need to kill the second one... 2632. Dunno.)
>
> Yep - if any version of yum is running, no other will. At work, I do *not*
> have yum-updatesd turned up - I want to control when and what. Certainly,
> I don't want to update, say, firefox while folks are using it on their
> desktops. And some managers are rather picky as to what servers get
> updated, and when, esp. their production boxes. So, it's tedious, but I
> have control - yum runs when I run it, and not otherwise.
---
Ahh as long as yum-updated is running as a service regular yum update
will not run! IE, you killed the yum-updatesd service and that is why
yum update ran.

John

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Old 08-03-2010, 05:36 PM
Mark
 
Default yum doesn't exit

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:19 AM, JohnS <jses27@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ahh as long as yum-updated is running as a service regular yum update
> will not run! *IE, you killed the yum-updatesd service and that is why
> yum update ran.
>

Oh? I run yum-updatesd as a service (by dafult, not by any specific
intent), but as far as I can tell, it has never interfered with me
running a yum update.

Mark
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:33 PM
 
Default yum doesn't exit

Mark wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:19 AM, JohnS <jses27@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ahh as long as yum-updated is running as a service regular yum update
>> will not run! *IE, you killed the yum-updatesd service and that is why
>> yum update ran.
>
> Oh? I run yum-updatesd as a service (by dafult, not by any specific
> intent), but as far as I can tell, it has never interfered with me
> running a yum update.

Presumably because it's doing it overnight, and is done. You cannot run
yum while it's running - they both want the same locks, and both are
updating the same database. Bad, and so they prevent you from doing so.

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Old 08-03-2010, 07:18 PM
JohnS
 
Default yum doesn't exit

On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 14:33 -0400, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:19 AM, JohnS <jses27@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ahh as long as yum-updated is running as a service regular yum update
> >> will not run! IE, you killed the yum-updatesd service and that is why
> >> yum update ran.
> >
> > Oh? I run yum-updatesd as a service (by dafult, not by any specific
> > intent), but as far as I can tell, it has never interfered with me
> > running a yum update.
>
> Presumably because it's doing it overnight, and is done. You cannot run
> yum while it's running - they both want the same locks, and both are
> updating the same database. Bad, and so they prevent you from doing so.
>
> mark
Right also you can and will some day in time hit the same problem but
using rpm to do various queries will throw up the same error when using
yum because of the db lock. I do not for see regular users encountering
this problem but heavy rpm -q, qa ,qi ,qiR, qf | grep foo will indeed.
I encounter it a lot of times especially when using multiple terminal
windows. So I have to kill pid{rpm}.

John

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Old 08-03-2010, 07:18 PM
JohnS
 
Default yum doesn't exit

On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 14:33 -0400, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:19 AM, JohnS <jses27@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ahh as long as yum-updated is running as a service regular yum update
> >> will not run! IE, you killed the yum-updatesd service and that is why
> >> yum update ran.
> >
> > Oh? I run yum-updatesd as a service (by dafult, not by any specific
> > intent), but as far as I can tell, it has never interfered with me
> > running a yum update.
>
> Presumably because it's doing it overnight, and is done. You cannot run
> yum while it's running - they both want the same locks, and both are
> updating the same database. Bad, and so they prevent you from doing so.
>
> mark
Right also you can and will some day in time hit the same problem but
using rpm to do various queries will throw up the same error when using
yum because of the db lock. I do not for see regular users encountering
this problem but heavy rpm -q, qa ,qi ,qiR, qf | grep foo will indeed.
I encounter it a lot of times especially when using multiple terminal
windows. So I have to kill pid{rpm}.

John

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