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Old 01-27-2010, 04:00 PM
"Michael A. Peters"
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Does there exist *anywhere* a Java web browser plugin for 64-bit
>> FireFox? The SUN 1.6<mumble> JDK (jdk-6u18-linux-amd64.rpm) does NOT
>> include the Java web browser plugin library.
>> java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-1.2.b09.el5.x86_64.rpm does not have one
>> either. Should I install the *32-bit* SUN 1.6<mumble> JDK and use the
>> 32-64 bit wrapper? I've searched the web and read the wiki (which only
>> shows installing the 32-bit Java web browser plugin).
>
> AFAIK, they stopped doing the plugin sometime last year, and the *only*
> workaround I've seen is to install Sun's Java.
>

iced-tea use to work, but I think around 5.2 release it broke and AFAIK
there hasn't been an iced-tea package for CentOS since.

I personally don't miss it all that much, but it would be nice to have.
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Old 01-27-2010, 04:04 PM
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

Robert Heller wrote:
> Does there exist *anywhere* a Java web browser plugin for 64-bit
> FireFox? The SUN 1.6<mumble> JDK (jdk-6u18-linux-amd64.rpm) does NOT
> include the Java web browser plugin library.
> java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-1.2.b09.el5.x86_64.rpm does not have one
> either. Should I install the *32-bit* SUN 1.6<mumble> JDK and use the
> 32-64 bit wrapper? I've searched the web and read the wiki (which only
> shows installing the 32-bit Java web browser plugin).
>

there was a relevant thread earlier this year:
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2010-January/088368.html

I kept the info for maybe trying it out some day, but didn't get around
to testing it.
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Old 01-28-2010, 03:56 PM
"Scot P. Floess"
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

No, that isn't true at all...

Under both Fedora 12 and RHEL 5.4 I am using the 64 bit JDK... To get the
Java plugin working, all I had to do -with the Sun JDK- was

cd /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins
ln -s /usr/java/latest/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so

And restart Firefox...

Of course, in this instance /usr/java/latest is a sym link to
/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_16

It works just fine for me... I'm sure I'd have similar results on CentOS



On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, Robert Heller wrote:

> At Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:44:52 -0500 CentOS mailing list <centos@centos.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Does there exist *anywhere* a Java web browser plugin for 64-bit
>>> FireFox? The SUN 1.6<mumble> JDK (jdk-6u18-linux-amd64.rpm) does NOT
>>> include the Java web browser plugin library.
>>> java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-1.2.b09.el5.x86_64.rpm does not have one
>>> either. Should I install the *32-bit* SUN 1.6<mumble> JDK and use the
>>> 32-64 bit wrapper? I've searched the web and read the wiki (which only
>>> shows installing the 32-bit Java web browser plugin).
>>
>> AFAIK, they stopped doing the plugin sometime last year, and the *only*
>> workaround I've seen is to install Sun's Java.
>
> But Sun's Java does NOT include the plugin in the *64-bit* JDK. There
> is only the *32-bit* plugin in the *32-bit* JDK. So installing Sun's
> Java is not an answer.
>
>>
>> mark
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:14 PM
Ned Slider
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

This is all documented on the Wiki for anyone who cares to search:

http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/PluginsFor64BitFirefox

[rhetorical] Why does this mailing list insist on reinventing the wheel
rather than perform a simple search of existing documentation first?

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Old 01-28-2010, 04:35 PM
Les Mikesell
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

On 1/28/2010 11:14 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
> This is all documented on the Wiki for anyone who cares to search:
>
> http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/PluginsFor64BitFirefox
>
> [rhetorical] Why does this mailing list insist on reinventing the wheel
> rather than perform a simple search of existing documentation first?

You sort-of expect end users to do that. A more relevant question is
why is it shipped broken in the first place? Is it just Red Hat trying
to maintain their reputation for making java as hard to use as possible?

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Old 01-28-2010, 04:53 PM
Rob Kampen
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

Les Mikesell wrote:

On 1/28/2010 11:14 AM, Ned Slider wrote:


This is all documented on the Wiki for anyone who cares to search:

http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/PluginsFor64BitFirefox

[rhetorical] Why does this mailing list insist on reinventing the wheel
rather than perform a simple search of existing documentation first?



You sort-of expect end users to do that. A more relevant question is
why is it shipped broken in the first place? Is it just Red Hat trying
to maintain their reputation for making java as hard to use as possible?




That doesn't make sense - they own JBoss!!
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:05 PM
Les Mikesell
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

On 1/28/2010 11:53 AM, Rob Kampen wrote:
>
>>> This is all documented on the Wiki for anyone who cares to search:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/PluginsFor64BitFirefox
>>>
>>> [rhetorical] Why does this mailing list insist on reinventing the wheel
>>> rather than perform a simple search of existing documentation first?
>>
>> You sort-of expect end users to do that. A more relevant question is
>> why is it shipped broken in the first place? Is it just Red Hat trying
>> to maintain their reputation for making java as hard to use as possible?
>>
> That doesn't make sense - they own JBoss!!

Apparently they want to make sure you need their support service to run
it. They put Sun Java in the update stream that you can only get with a
paid contract long before they shipped the almost-working 1.6 as part of
the base. While they can't actually stop you from downloading your own
working copy, they've made it as hard as a distribution possibly could.

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John wrote:
> On 28/01/10, ?????????????? ???????????? (gpall@ccf.auth.gr) wrote:
> | M=C3=83=C2=A1rcio H. Parreiras wrote:
> | > ... Acer Aspire 5315 laptop ... kernel 2.6.32-trunk-686 ...
> | > powering off suddenly, few minutes after boot. If I
> | >choose the old kernel the symptom do not happen ...
> | same symptom here on a Dell studio laptop (amd64) and on a classical
> | pentium pc...
>
> Same here with both Debian and vanilla versions of all 2.6.32 kernels,
> home-compiled, running sid on an old IBM Thinkpad A31, with cpufreqd
> and cpufrequtils. On my machine, the shutdown is caused by runaway
> overheating after only a few minutes, so there's not much time for
> diagnosing. 2.6.31.6 with same basic .config runs fine.
>
> =20

how did you understand it was due to heating??



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Old 01-28-2010, 06:36 PM
Les Mikesell
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

On 1/28/2010 12:58 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
>
>>> http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/PluginsFor64BitFirefox
>>>
>>> [rhetorical] Why does this mailing list insist on reinventing the wheel
>>> rather than perform a simple search of existing documentation first?
>>
>> You sort-of expect end users to do that. A more relevant question is
>> why is it shipped broken in the first place? Is it just Red Hat trying
>> to maintain their reputation for making java as hard to use as possible?
>
> Java is an odd case: *Sun* has weird / non-compatible license issues, so
> RH (or CentOS) cannot just re-distribute the Sun JDK and appearently the
> openjdk does not include a web browser plug in (nothing RH or CentOS can
> do about that).

Netscape was once an odd case and RH managed to deal with it in a usable
way instead of shipping something different and broken with the same
name. The jpackage folks had a perfectly usable way to handle the parts
that weren't redistributable, back when they weren't redistributable but
instead of staying compatible with their repository, RH copied parts and
change them in ways that broke the rest. When the license changed on the
Sun sdk to make it redistributable and debian incorporated it in their
main repostiory, RH only added it to the subscription update stream and
CentOS ignored it completely. None of this makes any sense to me.

> And it appears that Sun decided to change the name and location of the
> 64-bit plugin, which is what threw me, esp. since in the *32-bit* Sun
> JDK (6u18) the *old* plugin library is just where I expected it to be.
> Why did Sun do *that*? You would have thought that they would have
> included a README there to explain what they did.
>

Sun engineers are from some other planet? Since they were so
cooperative in open-sourcing the codebase when someone asked, I wonder
if anyone from Red Hat ever explained the expected locations for things
to land and asked them to build a compatible rpm package the users could
install? Having an rpm that doesn't drop into the right places on RH
doesn't make any sense to me either.

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Old 01-28-2010, 06:47 PM
Rob Kampen
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

Les Mikesell wrote:

On 1/28/2010 12:58 PM, Robert Heller wrote:


http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/PluginsFor64BitFirefox

[rhetorical] Why does this mailing list insist on reinventing the wheel
rather than perform a simple search of existing documentation first?


You sort-of expect end users to do that. A more relevant question is
why is it shipped broken in the first place? Is it just Red Hat trying
to maintain their reputation for making java as hard to use as possible?


Java is an odd case: *Sun* has weird / non-compatible license issues, so
RH (or CentOS) cannot just re-distribute the Sun JDK and appearently the
openjdk does not include a web browser plug in (nothing RH or CentOS can
do about that).



Netscape was once an odd case and RH managed to deal with it in a usable
way instead of shipping something different and broken with the same
name. The jpackage folks had a perfectly usable way to handle the parts
that weren't redistributable, back when they weren't redistributable but
instead of staying compatible with their repository, RH copied parts and
change them in ways that broke the rest. When the license changed on the
Sun sdk to make it redistributable and debian incorporated it in their
main repostiory, RH only added it to the subscription update stream and
CentOS ignored it completely. None of this makes any sense to me.




And it appears that Sun decided to change the name and location of the
64-bit plugin, which is what threw me, esp. since in the *32-bit* Sun
JDK (6u18) the *old* plugin library is just where I expected it to be.
Why did Sun do *that*? You would have thought that they would have
included a README there to explain what they did.




Sun engineers are from some other planet? Since they were so
cooperative in open-sourcing the codebase when someone asked, I wonder
if anyone from Red Hat ever explained the expected locations for things
to land and asked them to build a compatible rpm package the users could
install? Having an rpm that doesn't drop into the right places on RH
doesn't make any sense to me either.



Especially when rpm is RedHat Package manager - they created it, one
would expect that all users would ensure it works with the creator's
structure and way of working. I guess there are deeper issues here that
are best not exposed. At least Sun's java is now under an open source
license!!
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Old 02-01-2010, 02:09 PM
Rainer Traut
 
Default CentOS 5.4 64-bit: Java web browser plugin for 64-bit FireFox?

Am 28.01.2010 17:46, schrieb Robert Heller:
> At Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:17:02 -0800 CentOS mailing list<centos@centos.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Robert Heller<heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
>>> Does there exist *anywhere* a Java web browser plugin for 64-bit
>>> FireFox? The SUN 1.6<mumble> JDK (jdk-6u18-linux-amd64.rpm) does NOT
>>> include the Java web browser plugin library.
>>
>> It's been available since jdk-u13.
>>
>> Just link the library
>>
>> <whatever>./jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so
>>
>> to the firefox's plugin directory under /usr/lib64/firefox-<whatever>/plugins.
>>
>> You may have to create the plugins directory.
>
> I did this. The plugin does NOT show up in aboutlugins.

I think it's the wrong directory - this is only valid for a certain
firefox version.

Try this:
# ll /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins
insgesamt 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 14. Apr 2009 libjavaplugin.so ->
/etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so.x86_64

Here the alternatives stuff comes from the redhat packaged jre plugin
version, you need to modify to where you installed the plugin.

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