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Philip Manuel 11-18-2008 01:30 AM

HW issue during instalaltion
 
Hi All,

I have a shuttle SN78SH7 with a Seagate ST31500341AS (1.5Tb) drive. With
windows Vista it sees the drive and can install to it. So far with GRML
or CentOS5.2 they do not seem to be able to see this drive. Is there a
particular setting I need or does CentOS not support installation to
these drives yet ?


Thanks for your help

Phil


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Rainer Duffner 11-18-2008 01:47 AM

HW issue during instalaltion
 
Am 18.11.2008 um 03:30 schrieb Philip Manuel:


Hi All,

I have a shuttle SN78SH7 with a Seagate ST31500341AS (1.5Tb) drive.
With windows Vista it sees the drive and can install to it. So far
with GRML or CentOS5.2 they do not seem to be able to see this
drive. Is there a particular setting I need or does CentOS not
support installation to these drives yet ?


Thanks for your help



Well, what ICH (or does the MB use a NV chipset) do you have?
Is that supported by CentOS/RHEL?
Question: Where does one actually find out about the supported
hardware, other than booting and "'D'oh, it doesn't work"?




Rainer



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Philip Manuel 11-18-2008 01:53 AM

HW issue during instalaltion
 
It uses a NV chipset,
nVidia GeForce 8200,
http://au.shuttle.com/product_detail_spec.jsp?PI=939 . I added an Intel
Ethernet card to get over the Marvell Ethernet issue, and a NVIDIA
8600GT card.


I forgot to add I used no additional driver disks to get Vista to see
the disk.


Phil.
Rainer Duffner wrote:


Am 18.11.2008 um 03:30 schrieb Philip Manuel:


Hi All,

I have a shuttle SN78SH7 with a Seagate ST31500341AS (1.5Tb) drive.
With windows Vista it sees the drive and can install to it. So far
with GRML or CentOS5.2 they do not seem to be able to see this
drive. Is there a particular setting I need or does CentOS not
support installation to these drives yet ?


Thanks for your help



Well, what ICH (or does the MB use a NV chipset) do you have?
Is that supported by CentOS/RHEL?
Question: Where does one actually find out about the supported
hardware, other than booting and "'D'oh, it doesn't work"?




Rainer



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"nate" 11-18-2008 02:58 AM

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Philip Manuel wrote:
> It uses a NV chipset,
> nVidia GeForce 8200,
> http://au.shuttle.com/product_detail_spec.jsp?PI=939 . I added an Intel
> Ethernet card to get over the Marvell Ethernet issue, and a NVIDIA
> 8600GT card.
>
> I forgot to add I used no additional driver disks to get Vista to see
> the disk.

Try Ubuntu, you probably wouldn't need additional driver disks to
get it workin' either. CentOS is a server oriented distro, not
a desktop distro. Hardware differences between desktop and server
are almost night and day in many cases. The system you link to
is most definitely a desktop class system.

Or perhaps Fedora, though I'm not much of a fan of the short
support cycle for Fedora(assuming it's still 6 months).

With Ubuntu(and possibly Fedora) you get the added advantage
of tons more packages than what is included with CentOS/RHEL
without having to resort to problematic 3rd party repositories
or crazy yum configurations to try to keep a sane installation
running.

CentOS works great for what it's built for.

nate

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Philip Manuel 11-18-2008 03:08 AM

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We tend to use CentOS for our desktops as well, hence the request to
this mailing list. We do not wish to have Ubuntu installed.


Thanks

nate wrote:

Philip Manuel wrote:


It uses a NV chipset,
nVidia GeForce 8200,
http://au.shuttle.com/product_detail_spec.jsp?PI=939 . I added an Intel
Ethernet card to get over the Marvell Ethernet issue, and a NVIDIA
8600GT card.

I forgot to add I used no additional driver disks to get Vista to see
the disk.



Try Ubuntu, you probably wouldn't need additional driver disks to
get it workin' either. CentOS is a server oriented distro, not
a desktop distro. Hardware differences between desktop and server
are almost night and day in many cases. The system you link to
is most definitely a desktop class system.

Or perhaps Fedora, though I'm not much of a fan of the short
support cycle for Fedora(assuming it's still 6 months).

With Ubuntu(and possibly Fedora) you get the added advantage
of tons more packages than what is included with CentOS/RHEL
without having to resort to problematic 3rd party repositories
or crazy yum configurations to try to keep a sane installation
running.

CentOS works great for what it's built for.

nate

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Phil Schaffner 11-18-2008 02:18 PM

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Philip Manuel wrote:
We tend to use CentOS for our desktops as well, hence the request to
this mailing list. We do not wish to have Ubuntu installed.


Same here; however, on a similar-but-different Shuttle box I bought for
my son recently the only Linux I could get to install was the Ubuntu
Intrepid Ibex beta (release version 8.10 is now out). Tried several
other recent Linux versions including CentOS 5, Fedora 9 (haven't tried
10 pre-release yet), OpenSuse, PClinuxOS, Knoppix, and Ubuntu Hardy.
None could see the disk. Windoze XP worked. :-(


An enterprise Linux should never be expected to support the latest
hardware. Maybe CentOS 5.3 or 6 when they hit the e-street??? Until
then, you may well be stuck with some more bleeding-edge release.


Phil

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Rainer Duffner 11-18-2008 02:22 PM

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Phil Schaffner schrieb:
> Philip Manuel wrote:
>> We tend to use CentOS for our desktops as well, hence the request to
>> this mailing list. We do not wish to have Ubuntu installed.
>
> Same here; however, on a similar-but-different Shuttle box I bought
> for my son recently the only Linux I could get to install was the
> Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex beta (release version 8.10 is now out). Tried
> several other recent Linux versions including CentOS 5, Fedora 9
> (haven't tried 10 pre-release yet), OpenSuse, PClinuxOS, Knoppix, and
> Ubuntu Hardy. None could see the disk. Windoze XP worked. :-(
>
> An enterprise Linux should never be expected to support the latest
> hardware. Maybe CentOS 5.3 or 6 when they hit the e-street??? Until
> then, you may well be stuck with some more bleeding-edge release.

As I said - it's mostly a question of which chipset the kernel knows about.

If you can retrofit a CentOS with a newer vanilla-kernel from kerne.org,
it might work (or not, because you might also need newer "supporting"
packages...). I wouldn't go there, though, if Ubuntu I-I works...


Rainer
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"nate" 11-18-2008 02:52 PM

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Philip Manuel wrote:
> We tend to use CentOS for our desktops as well, hence the request to
> this mailing list. We do not wish to have Ubuntu installed.

1) track down the driver for your hardware and hack it into
the installation by hand. I've had to do this on several
occasions for newer hardware(well not since CentOS 4.4)
2) Buy from a vendor that tests/certifies with CentOS/RHEL
so you know it works when it arrives.

I highly suggest #2, less pain all around. I'd only suggest
#1 for really experienced linux admins. #1 can take a significant
amount of time/testing.

nate

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MHR 11-18-2008 05:03 PM

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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Phil Schaffner
<Philip.R.Schaffner@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Same here; however, on a similar-but-different Shuttle box I bought for my
> son recently the only Linux I could get to install was the Ubuntu Intrepid
> Ibex beta (release version 8.10 is now out). Tried several other recent
> Linux versions including CentOS 5, Fedora 9 (haven't tried 10 pre-release
> yet), OpenSuse, PClinuxOS, Knoppix, and Ubuntu Hardy. None could see the
> disk. Windoze XP worked. :-(
>
> An enterprise Linux should never be expected to support the latest hardware.
> Maybe CentOS 5.3 or 6 when they hit the e-street??? Until then, you may
> well be stuck with some more bleeding-edge release.
>

That's true, but, still, if XP can handle it, it seems as though
CentOS 5, which is six years newer than XP, should be able to handle
it....

OTTOMH....

mhr
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Scott Silva 11-18-2008 11:46 PM

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on 11-18-2008 10:03 AM MHR spake the following:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Phil Schaffner
> <Philip.R.Schaffner@nasa.gov> wrote:
>> Same here; however, on a similar-but-different Shuttle box I bought for my
>> son recently the only Linux I could get to install was the Ubuntu Intrepid
>> Ibex beta (release version 8.10 is now out). Tried several other recent
>> Linux versions including CentOS 5, Fedora 9 (haven't tried 10 pre-release
>> yet), OpenSuse, PClinuxOS, Knoppix, and Ubuntu Hardy. None could see the
>> disk. Windoze XP worked. :-(
>>
>> An enterprise Linux should never be expected to support the latest hardware.
>> Maybe CentOS 5.3 or 6 when they hit the e-street??? Until then, you may
>> well be stuck with some more bleeding-edge release.
>>
>
> That's true, but, still, if XP can handle it, it seems as though
> CentOS 5, which is six years newer than XP, should be able to handle
> it....
>
> OTTOMH....
>
> mhr
But windows drivers usually load and probe the hardware on install, but linux
usually depends on the PCI id's to load modules. So windows will try and load
a driver, and if it doesn't bomb, record that it works and keep using it. The
linux install effectively looks at the PCI id numbers and looks for a match in
the /lib/modules/modules.* files.

A linux driver can sometimes be coaxed to load just by editing one of these
files, but not always. Some of the kernel patches are just edits to the
modules.pcimap file.

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