Hi everyone,

I have a Samba server on CentOS 5.2 that I would like to and some backup service to, I have been trying to install Bacula, because I want to backup MS machines too, and there is a web GUI.* But when searching around i google I get a bit confused. about what packages I need.


Has anyone got bacula running on Centos or maybe guide in the right direction.

Tronn

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On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 15:42 +0100, Tronn Wærdahl wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a Samba server on CentOS 5.2 that I would like to and some
> backup service to, I have been trying to install Bacula, because I
> want to backup MS machines too, and there is a web GUI. But when
> searching around i google I get a bit confused. about what packages I
> need.
>
> Has anyone got bacula running on Centos or maybe guide in the right
> direction.
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CentOS 5, download from here...(install only EL5 packages that apply)

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=50727&package_id=213714&rel ease_id=619621

Server you would probably want bacula-mysql, bacula-bat, possibly
bacula-mtx and possibly bacula-gconsole or bacula-wxconsole

Any CentOS clients would only need the bacula-client

Windows client, download from here...

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=50727&package_id=110235&rel ease_id=632261

Craig

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Tronn Wærdahl wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a Samba server on CentOS 5.2 that I would like to and some backup
service to, I have been trying to install Bacula, because I want to backup
MS machines too, and there is a web GUI. But when searching around i google
I get a bit confused. about what packages I need.

Has anyone got bacula running on Centos or maybe guide in the right
direction.


You might want to look at backkuppc as an alternative if you are mostly
backing up to disk and accessing it online. The linking and compression
scheme it uses will keep a larger history in less space.


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On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com> wrote:

On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 15:42 +0100, Tronn Wærdahl wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I have a Samba server on CentOS 5.2 that I would like to and some

> backup service to, I have been trying to install Bacula, because I

> want to backup MS machines too, and there is a web GUI. *But when

> searching around i google I get a bit confused. about what packages I

> need.

>

> Has anyone got bacula running on Centos or maybe guide in the right

> direction.

----

sure a bunch of us...



CentOS 5, download from here...(install only EL5 packages that apply)



http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=50727&package_id=213714&rel ease_id=619621




Server you would probably want bacula-mysql, bacula-bat, possibly

bacula-mtx and possibly bacula-gconsole or bacula-wxconsole



Any CentOS clients would only need the bacula-client



Windows client, download from here...



http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=50727&package_id=110235&rel ease_id=632261




Craig



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Thanks, I got it now, both CentOS and MS clients running bacula

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:37:17 -0500
From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.2 and Bacula
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Les wrote:
>
>Tronn Wærdahl wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I have a Samba server on CentOS 5.2 that I would like to and some backup
>> service to, I have been trying to install Bacula, because I want to backup
>> MS machines too, and there is a web GUI. But when searching around i google
>> I get a bit confused. about what packages I need.
>>
>> Has anyone got bacula running on Centos or maybe guide in the right
>> direction.
>
>You might want to look at backkuppc as an alternative if you are mostly
>backing up to disk and accessing it online. The linking and compression
>scheme it uses will keep a larger history in less space.

Hi,

Between Bacula and Backuppc, based on list users experience, which is better to use? I intend
to backup both Windows and Linux server. Can I use this to backup my linux mail server with
Zimbra services shutdown? Can I use this to backup windows server machine without using Samba
or it is the only way to go. I intend to read manual of these two when I got my machine to test, for a
while maybe I can get some insight from those who have already experience using these tools.

Thanks,

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Hi,

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 21:26, Jun Salen <nokijun@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Between Bacula and Backuppc, based on list users experience, which is better to use? I intend
> to backup both Windows and Linux server. Can I use this to backup my linux mail server with
> Zimbra services shutdown? Can I use this to backup windows server machine without using Samba
> or it is the only way to go. I intend to read manual of these two when I got my machine to test, for a
> while maybe I can get some insight from those who have already experience using these tools.

You can do all that with both tools.

Bacula is tape oriented, so if you're backing up to tape it's going to
be the tool for you. It also supports backing up to disk, but it backs
up to disk as if it was a tape (a set of tapes, actually) which is
kind of awkward. In my opinion, Bacula's user interface is kind of
weird too.

Backuppc backs up to disk only, but it has a great advantage that it
finds duplicate files and uses hardlinks to reduce storage usage, so
it can usually back up much more data than Bacula in the same space.
Another advantage of Backuppc is that it backs up using rsync or tar
over ssh or smbtar for Windows, so in general you don't need to
install an agent on the client machines. It's web interface is also
very good.

So, you should choose mainly based on the media you're using for backups.

IMHO, if you still use tapes, forget the past and move to the future
of disk-based backups, and adopt Backuppc as your tool.

HTH,
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Filipe Brandenburger wrote:

IMHO, if you still use tapes, forget the past and move to the future
of disk-based backups, and adopt Backuppc as your tool.


There are trade-offs here. Tapes are generally regarded as having a
longer shelf life than disks, and they're less susceptible to
physical damage during transport -- both important if off-site
backups are part of your strategy.


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Paul Heinlein wrote:

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Filipe Brandenburger wrote:

IMHO, if you still use tapes, forget the past and move to the future
of disk-based backups, and adopt Backuppc as your tool.


There are trade-offs here. Tapes are generally regarded as having a
longer shelf life than disks, and they're less susceptible to physical
damage during transport -- both important if off-site backups are part
of your strategy.


On the other hand, given bandwidth suitable for keeping up with changes
via rsync, backuppc is perfectly capable of maintaining offsite backups
over a vpn without transporting anything. And for life span you can use
raid mirrors and replace a drive every couple of years. Also, backuppc
can generate a tar imaage that you can write to other media for archival
storage and the ability to restore without the application running - it
isn't particularly handy but it is possible.


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Hi,

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:13, Paul Heinlein <heinlein@madboa.com> wrote:
>> IMHO, if you still use tapes, forget the past and move to the future of
>> disk-based backups, and adopt Backuppc as your tool.
>
> There are trade-offs here. Tapes are generally regarded as having a longer
> shelf life than disks, and they're less susceptible to physical damage
> during transport -- both important if off-site backups are part of your
> strategy.

Yes, tape for offsite copies are fine, but these days I don't see any
reason why to back up directly to tape instead of staging to disk
first.

If you do backups to disk with BackupPC, you can use "dump" to
efficiently create an image of that filesystem to tape, and then send
that tape offsite.

Or, as another poster already mentioned, you can do your offsite
through the network by using a remote BackupPC server or using rsync
to keep a copy of your local backups on a remote machine.

Filipe
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> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 21:26, Jun Salen wrote:
> > Between Bacula and Backuppc, based on list users experience, which is better
> to use? I intend
> > to backup both Windows and Linux server. Can I use this to backup my linux
> mail server with
> > Zimbra services shutdown? Can I use this to backup windows server machine
> without using Samba
> > or it is the only way to go. I intend to read manual of these two when I got
> my machine to test, for a
> > while maybe I can get some insight from those who have already experience
> using these tools.
>
> You can do all that with both tools.
>
> Bacula is tape oriented, so if you're backing up to tape it's going to
> be the tool for you. It also supports backing up to disk, but it backs
> up to disk as if it was a tape (a set of tapes, actually) which is
> kind of awkward. In my opinion, Bacula's user interface is kind of
> weird too.
>
> Backuppc backs up to disk only, but it has a great advantage that it
> finds duplicate files and uses hardlinks to reduce storage usage, so
> it can usually back up much more data than Bacula in the same space.
> Another advantage of Backuppc is that it backs up using rsync or tar
> over ssh or smbtar for Windows, so in general you don't need to
> install an agent on the client machines. It's web interface is also
> very good.
>
> So, you should choose mainly based on the media you're using for backups.
>
> IMHO, if you still use tapes, forget the past and move to the future
> of disk-based backups, and adopt Backuppc as your tool.
>
> HTH,
> Filipe
>

Hi Filipe,

Thanks for giving me insights. I have HP StorageWorks D2D2500 machine on the way, I wonder if I can put CentOS on the machine then putting Backuppc after or the machine is already ready to use without needing additional software to install. I will read included manual when I get it although I am sure that it is available from HP site. I just do not have time yet to read it. Again thanks.

Jun S.



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