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Old 06-25-2008, 08:38 PM
Robert Moskowitz
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

I just completed my first 5.2 install. For 'completeness' I 'tested
out' yum update.


Guess what? For this minimum install, there were 43Mb of updates to
download.


So I went over to my local repo server and setup a /centos/5.2/updates
directory and started the rsync to get all the updates:


155 files taking up 943Mb. Already. Wow! Perhaps something to do with
the initial build problem? But anyone that does an install from the
CDs/DVD and includes OpenOffice, then turns around and updates, is in
for a scary supprise. Yet another reason for the local repos....



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Old 06-25-2008, 08:41 PM
John R Pierce
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I just completed my first 5.2 install. For 'completeness' I 'tested
out' yum update.


Guess what? For this minimum install, there were 43Mb of updates to
download.


So I went over to my local repo server and setup a /centos/5.2/updates
directory and started the rsync to get all the updates:


155 files taking up 943Mb. Already. Wow! Perhaps something to do
with the initial build problem? But anyone that does an install from
the CDs/DVD and includes OpenOffice, then turns around and updates, is
in for a scary supprise. Yet another reason for the local repos....


I thought the 'updates' directory contained updates for everything from
5.0 forward ?



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Old 06-25-2008, 08:48 PM
"Tim Verhoeven"
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com> wrote:
> I just completed my first 5.2 install. For 'completeness' I 'tested out'
> yum update.
>
> Guess what? For this minimum install, there were 43Mb of updates to
> download.
>
> So I went over to my local repo server and setup a /centos/5.2/updates
> directory and started the rsync to get all the updates:
>
> 155 files taking up 943Mb. Already. Wow! Perhaps something to do with the
> initial build problem? But anyone that does an install from the CDs/DVD and
> includes OpenOffice, then turns around and updates, is in for a scary
> supprise. Yet another reason for the local repos....

This is actually perfectly normal. If you install C5.2 from the
install media you will get what upstream released a month ago. Between
then and now they released different updates. These are not but on the
install media but end up in the updates repository to make sure the
our and upstreams install media are as identical as possible.

And no, the updates repo only contains updates for the running minor
release. So currently it contains updates for 5.2.

Regards,
Tim

--
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Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the
"microsoft approach to programming" and should never be allowed.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:54 PM
Robert Moskowitz
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

John R Pierce wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I just completed my first 5.2 install. For 'completeness' I 'tested
out' yum update.


Guess what? For this minimum install, there were 43Mb of updates to
download.


So I went over to my local repo server and setup a
/centos/5.2/updates directory and started the rsync to get all the
updates:


155 files taking up 943Mb. Already. Wow! Perhaps something to do with
the initial build problem? But anyone that does an install from the
CDs/DVD and includes OpenOffice, then turns around and updates, is in
for a scary supprise. Yet another reason for the local repos....


I thought the 'updates' directory contained updates for everything
from 5.0 forward ?
There are only 2 rpms dated Jun 18, all the rest are more recent So I
would say they are all updates to 5.2. Plus the way that Johnny
maintains the symlink, he would change over the the 5.2 updates the same
time he changes over to the 5.2 base.



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Old 06-25-2008, 08:57 PM
Robert Moskowitz
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

Tim Verhoeven wrote:

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com> wrote:


I just completed my first 5.2 install. For 'completeness' I 'tested out'
yum update.

Guess what? For this minimum install, there were 43Mb of updates to
download.

So I went over to my local repo server and setup a /centos/5.2/updates
directory and started the rsync to get all the updates:

155 files taking up 943Mb. Already. Wow! Perhaps something to do with the
initial build problem? But anyone that does an install from the CDs/DVD and
includes OpenOffice, then turns around and updates, is in for a scary
supprise. Yet another reason for the local repos....



This is actually perfectly normal. If you install C5.2 from the
install media you will get what upstream released a month ago.
Is there some other way to do an install? I build my local repo from the
install media as I learned from the wiki.

Between
then and now they released different updates. These are not but on the
install media but end up in the updates repository to make sure the
our and upstreams install media are as identical as possible.

And no, the updates repo only contains updates for the running minor
release. So currently it contains updates for 5.2.

Regards,
Tim



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Old 06-26-2008, 10:29 AM
Ralph Angenendt
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

John R Pierce wrote:
> I thought the 'updates' directory contained updates for everything from
> 5.0 forward ?

No.

updates/ gets emptied out on a new point release and then is rebased on
the os/ tree for the new release.

Ralph
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Old 06-26-2008, 11:14 AM
Johnny Hughes
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

Ralph Angenendt wrote:

John R Pierce wrote:
I thought the 'updates' directory contained updates for everything from
5.0 forward ?


No.

updates/ gets emptied out on a new point release and then is rebased on
the os/ tree for the new release.



Right ... BUT, base + updates are all the latest RPMS in the release, so
no one should think that is a problem.


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Old 06-26-2008, 11:46 AM
Robert Moskowitz
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

Johnny Hughes wrote:

Ralph Angenendt wrote:

John R Pierce wrote:
I thought the 'updates' directory contained updates for everything
from 5.0 forward ?


No.

updates/ gets emptied out on a new point release and then is rebased on
the os/ tree for the new release.



Right ... BUT, base + updates are all the latest RPMS in the release,
so no one should think that is a problem.

So how can you do an install based on all the latest?

Can I create a /centos/install/i386 directory structure where I first
rsync over the /centos/os/i386, then the /centos/update/i386, and then
keep it current from both from the Centos mirrors?


I would guess I would have to run createrepo myself as neither the base
nor the update repodata would be right for the combined directory. I
have quite a few installs to do still this week. I had been holding off
on some builds, waiting for 5.2 to do them 'clean'.



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Old 06-26-2008, 11:51 AM
Ralph Angenendt
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> updates/ gets emptied out on a new point release and then is rebased on
>>> the os/ tree for the new release.
>>>
>>
>> Right ... BUT, base + updates are all the latest RPMS in the release,
>> so no one should think that is a problem.
> So how can you do an install based on all the latest?

Install from the current tree (5.2) and do a yum update after that.

Ralph
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Old 06-26-2008, 12:33 PM
Robert Moskowitz
 
Default Lots of Centos 5.2 updates already

Ralph Angenendt wrote:

Robert Moskowitz wrote:


updates/ gets emptied out on a new point release and then is rebased on
the os/ tree for the new release.


Right ... BUT, base + updates are all the latest RPMS in the release,
so no one should think that is a problem.


So how can you do an install based on all the latest?



Install from the current tree (5.2) and do a yum update after that.

I know that. I do/done that. But it just seems backwards to go through
all the steps of an install, followed by a 300Mb upgrade (where,for
example, OpenOffice was installed). At least now I do have the local
repo, so I am not killing my WAN anymore.


I know I can go through the steps for a minimal install then try and add
everything later. Command line yum is hard to use for this. Yumex is
not much better for the initial adding of packages. The Gnome Software
Updater is almost as reasonable to work with as the one in the installer.


Well for today I have at least 2 systems to install. I have to build my
new Scalix server that the lvm create failed yesterday. I also want to
try a direct install on a DecTOP (that failed with 5.1, I had to put the
drive in another system for the install, then move it and
system-config-display to change the video)....


I also have a kernel panic on an existing DecTOP that I upgraded
yesterday. I am going to see what a new install will do.


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