hi,
we've to build a few kernel modules for rhel/centos which is not
included in the distro (or not working yet, like RTL8101E:
http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/RealTekRTL8101).

currently there are three ways for this:
- the obsoleted fedora way
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Obsolete/KernelModules
- dkms
- akmod. livna development start to use akmod for all new modules, but
there is not any kind of docs about it (or at least i can't find it).
i'd like to hear a few pros and cons about each of these and why should
we use the "good" one?:-)
what's centos teams plan for the future? and why livna switch from the
obsoleted fedora way to akmod instead of dkms?

thank you for your help in advance.
yours.

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Farkas Levente wrote:

currently there are three ways for this:
- the obsoleted fedora way
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Obsolete/KernelModules


you seem to be confused, this isnt Fedora-devel and Kmod's are not
obsoleted in the distro.


You also have the wrong list really. The only thing we are working with
are kmod's at the moment and that is unlikely to change for a long time
still.


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Karanbir Singh wrote:

Farkas Levente wrote:

currently there are three ways for this:
- the obsoleted fedora way
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Obsolete/KernelModules


you seem to be confused, this isnt Fedora-devel and Kmod's are not
obsoleted in the distro.


You also have the wrong list really. The only thing we are working with
are kmod's at the moment and that is unlikely to change for a long time
still.


kmod's are not in the upstream distro even:-(
the only problem with everybody has to face of is that you have to
recompile all kmods all the time when a new kernel released. for you
it'd have to be much more work since you've to do it for all platform
and for centosplus kernels etc. but i'm sure 95% of the time you just
made an rpmbuild --rebuild ...src.rpm. and it's always happened later
than the kernel released (even if you're very fast). and that's why many
people looking other solution. so that's why i assumed that may be
centos will change it's kernel module building.


but i understand that centos won't switch from kmod to any others in the
near future.


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Farkas Levente wrote:
>
> hi,
> we've to build a few kernel modules for rhel/centos which is not
> included in the distro (or not working yet, like RTL8101E:
> http://wiki.centos.org/HardwareList/RealTekRTL8101).
> currently there are three ways for this:
> - the obsoleted fedora way
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Obsolete/KernelModules
> - dkms
> - akmod. livna development start to use akmod for all new
> modules, but
> there is not any kind of docs about it (or at least i can't find it).
> i'd like to hear a few pros and cons about each of these and
> why should
> we use the "good" one?:-)
> what's centos teams plan for the future? and why livna switch
> from the
> obsoleted fedora way to akmod instead of dkms?
> thank you for your help in advance.
> yours.

You should ask livna why they chose akmod.

As for third party kernel modules, I prefer dkms here, but we're
a Dell shop anyways so I suppose we are biased.

dkms works well, and it's included in epel.

-Ross

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Farkas Levente wrote:


kmod's are not in the upstream distro even:-(


you should look, the only reason we are using / doing kmod's is because
thats all that is in the upstream distro.


the only problem with everybody has to face of is that you have to
recompile all kmods all the time when a new kernel released.


again, you are confused. Look at week-updates, I've not really rebuilt
any .ko once its in production.


Thats one reason why dkms is almost a total waste of time on CentOS

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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:

> again, you are confused. Look at week-updates, I've not really rebuilt any
> .ko once its in production.

s/week-updates/weak-updates/
*cough*

There have been a number of kernels for 5.1, so it probably does seem
like a weekly update......

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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:
> Farkas Levente wrote:
>
> > kmod's are not in the upstream distro even:-(
> >
> you should look, the only reason we are using / doing kmod's is because
> thats all that is in the upstream distro.
>
> > the only problem with everybody has to face of is that you have to
> recompile all kmods all the time when a new kernel released.
> >
> again, you are confused. Look at week-updates, I've not really rebuilt any
> .ko once its in production.

And you said you would write a wiki for *weak-updates*. Should I post
our conversation on IRC as evidence?

Akemi

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Akemi Yagi wrote:

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:

Farkas Levente wrote:


kmod's are not in the upstream distro even:-(


you should look, the only reason we are using / doing kmod's is because
thats all that is in the upstream distro.


the only problem with everybody has to face of is that you have to

recompile all kmods all the time when a new kernel released.
again, you are confused. Look at week-updates, I've not really rebuilt any
.ko once its in production.


And you said you would write a wiki for *weak-updates*. Should I post
our conversation on IRC as evidence?


i'd like!

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Jim Perrin wrote:

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Karanbir Singh <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:


again, you are confused. Look at week-updates, I've not really rebuilt any
.ko once its in production.


s/week-updates/weak-updates/
*cough*


bah!

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