Andrea Veri wrote on 01/28/2011 06:37 AM:
...
> for me it is a case of 'we know drupal'. I've been using it for some time now
> plus I'm working on another drupal istance for the Fedora insight team. (and
> we are making up some nice docs about the installation process and the modules
> needed etc.)

Andrea,

That seems to me to be a valid argument. If someone is willing to step
up and devote substantial time to making Website 2.0 a reality, then
their desire to work within a familiar environment should carry a lot of
weight.

There has been a fair amount of discussion on the forum part of the new
website. As a forum moderator, my primary concerns are:

1. A relatively seamless transition from the old site to the new,
preserving both content and internal links to the greatest extent
possible, and migrating existing active accounts.

2. A robust forum implementation, with ease of use being more important
than features.

3. A mechanism for registering new users that locks out the spambots
that have plagued the forum. Individual spammers we can handle with
relative ease. The bogus accounts by the thousands are much more of a
drain on resources.

Similar concerns apply to the Wiki - Seamless migration of existing
content, and an easy path for contributors to continue their work, while
preventing bad guys from doing damage.

Phil
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Il 29/01/11 05.18, Phil Schaffner ha scritto:

> Andrea,
>
> That seems to me to be a valid argument. If someone is willing to step
> up and devote substantial time to making Website 2.0 a reality, then
> their desire to work within a familiar environment should carry a lot of
> weight.

you rock, thanks!


> There has been a fair amount of discussion on the forum part of the new
> website. As a forum moderator, my primary concerns are:
>
> 1. A relatively seamless transition from the old site to the new,
> preserving both content and internal links to the greatest extent
> possible, and migrating existing active accounts.
>
> 2. A robust forum implementation, with ease of use being more important
> than features.
>
> 3. A mechanism for registering new users that locks out the spambots
> that have plagued the forum. Individual spammers we can handle with
> relative ease. The bogus accounts by the thousands are much more of a
> drain on resources.

I saw a lot of efforts have been made about this on the wiki and the plan,
as far as I see it on the wiki page in question [1], is about to migrate
Xoops+CBB(newbb) to phpBB. (which is a forum software which seems
to meet all the requirements you kindly posted above here)

So, definitely yes, everything from users to posts must be preserved while
migrating to the new platform. Feel free to let me know if i can help you
with something else.


> Similar concerns apply to the Wiki - Seamless migration of existing
> content, and an easy path for contributors to continue their work, while
> preventing bad guys from doing damage.


I guess the wiki won't be touched at first time since it is hosted on
its own
domain and it is just linked to the website. Anyway it will have to be
centralized to the main LDAP istance, but there are some handy guides
around. [2]

[1] http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2/forums/newbb_to_phpbb
[2]
http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinQuestions/Authentication#How_do_I_integrate_LDAP_authenticat ion_with_moin_moin.3F_.281.29

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Am 28.01.11 12:28, schrieb Karanbir Singh:
> On 01/28/2011 11:25 AM, Andrea Veri wrote:
>> absolutely +1 to start from fresh content to avoid any issue now and
>
> I'm not sure about the fresh content thing. Atleast the base, the
> comments and urls that get traffic now need to be retained. Part of it
> might be a large redirect pool, but whatever.

Most content on the page (by comments I don't think you are talking
about the forums?) is from the CentOS 4 and very early 5 days. I don't
think there's that much in there which really needs to be retained. Much
has been rewritten for the wiki. And I am really against having the old
software running alongside something new.

Maybe we need to really look hard at the page to see what has to be
moved over a new version.

Things I see are the mirror lists and the sponsor banners.

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Am 29.01.11 05:18, schrieb Phil Schaffner:

> 1. A relatively seamless transition from the old site to the new,
> preserving both content and internal links to the greatest extent
> possible, and migrating existing active accounts.

Internal links meaning links to already existing forum posts? That could
be quite hard to maintain (although yes, it would be great).


> 3. A mechanism for registering new users that locks out the spambots
> that have plagued the forum. Individual spammers we can handle with
> relative ease. The bogus accounts by the thousands are much more of a
> drain on resources.

Yes. Especially as not all of them can be weeded out via database access
easily, either. We did that with lots of accounts, but that didn't
really help in the long run.

> Similar concerns apply to the Wiki - Seamless migration of existing
> content, and an easy path for contributors to continue their work, while
> preventing bad guys from doing damage.

I really wouldn't touch the wiki stuff, except of upgrading to a new
version, maybe, once I can figure out a *working* way to do that. The
moin migration scripts aren't that hot.

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Ralph Angenendt wrote on 01/30/2011 12:41 PM:
> Am 29.01.11 05:18, schrieb Phil Schaffner:
>
>> 1. A relatively seamless transition from the old site to the new,
>> preserving both content and internal links to the greatest extent
>> possible, and migrating existing active accounts.
>
> Internal links meaning links to already existing forum posts? That could
> be quite hard to maintain (although yes, it would be great).

Understood.

>> 3. A mechanism for registering new users that locks out the spambots
>> that have plagued the forum. Individual spammers we can handle with
>> relative ease. The bogus accounts by the thousands are much more of a
>> drain on resources.
>
> Yes. Especially as not all of them can be weeded out via database access
> easily, either. We did that with lots of accounts, but that didn't
> really help in the long run.

I was thinking of using some mechanism like captcha - not perfect, as I
understand that it can sometimes be defeated by a sophisticated bot. but
would probably help a lot.

>> Similar concerns apply to the Wiki - Seamless migration of existing
>> content, and an easy path for contributors to continue their work, while
>> preventing bad guys from doing damage.
>
> I really wouldn't touch the wiki stuff, except of upgrading to a new
> version, maybe, once I can figure out a *working* way to do that. The
> moin migration scripts aren't that hot.

My misunderstanding there - thought a new Wiki was being contemplated as
well.

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Am 31.01.11 19:07, schrieb Phil Schaffner:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote on 01/30/2011 12:41 PM:
>> Yes. Especially as not all of them can be weeded out via database access
>> easily, either. We did that with lots of accounts, but that didn't
>> really help in the long run.
>
> I was thinking of using some mechanism like captcha - not perfect, as I
> understand that it can sometimes be defeated by a sophisticated bot. but
> would probably help a lot.

I've looked into a sane solution for xoops and only found plugins which
you needed for a) comments, b) forums, c) ... - so every place you could
enter information has its own captcha :/

A real integrated solution needs the newest xoops installation (if that
is out of beta now).

>>> Similar concerns apply to the Wiki - Seamless migration of existing
>>> content, and an easy path for contributors to continue their work, while
>>> preventing bad guys from doing damage.
>>
>> I really wouldn't touch the wiki stuff, except of upgrading to a new
>> version, maybe, once I can figure out a *working* way to do that. The
>> moin migration scripts aren't that hot.
>
> My misunderstanding there - thought a new Wiki was being contemplated as
> well.

No, just maybe getting wiki accounts into LDAP as well. Although the
user names on there are completely different.

Cheers,

Ralph
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