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Old 05-21-2010, 07:20 AM
"James A. Peltier"
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

I noticed on the SIG that people interested in other ports of interest. I'd like to express interest in the IA64 port. What is the best way to get started?

I have two SGI Itanium 2 based machines. One 64 processor x 64GB SGI Altix and a 32 processor x 32GB RAM SGI Prism. They are currently running CentOS 4.8 and I would love to be able to run CentOS 5.5 on them to get them into compliance with the rest of the cluster.

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Old 05-21-2010, 09:23 AM
Karanbir Singh
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

On 05/21/2010 08:20 AM, James A. Peltier wrote:
> I noticed on the SIG that people interested in other ports of interest. I'd like to express interest in the IA64 port. What is the best way to get started?
>

Almost nothing needs to be done for IA64, its just a case of turning on
a flag in the buildsystem and have it churn ia64 along with i386 and x86_64.

The bootstrap tree that I had put together is here :
http://dev.centos.org/~z00dax/ia64/

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Old 05-21-2010, 10:05 AM
"James A. Peltier"
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

So what is it that you need? Just for someone like me to actually run it? What would be required if I wanted to maintain my own build and keep it up to date as an un-official copy?

I'm interested in getting involved and contributing back. Of course I'm also not sure how much work is involved just yet.


----- "Karanbir Singh" <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:

| On 05/21/2010 08:20 AM, James A. Peltier wrote:
| > I noticed on the SIG that people interested in other ports of
| interest. I'd like to express interest in the IA64 port. What is the
| best way to get started?
| >
|
| Almost nothing needs to be done for IA64, its just a case of turning
| on
| a flag in the buildsystem and have it churn ia64 along with i386 and
| x86_64.
|
| The bootstrap tree that I had put together is here :
| http://dev.centos.org/~z00dax/ia64/
|
| - KB
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| CentOS-devel@centos.org
| http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel

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Old 05-21-2010, 10:51 AM
Karanbir Singh
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

On 05/21/2010 11:05 AM, James A. Peltier wrote:
> So what is it that you need? Just for someone like me to actually run it? What would be required if I wanted to maintain my own build and keep it up to date as an un-official copy?

Yes, when I did the bootstrap - I had interest from 3 people, 1 of whom
then changed jobs and his workplace dropped the ia64 cluster and moved
to x86_64, the second guy had 1 ia64 machine which developed a problem
and they didnt think its worth fixing it. I've not heard from the third
chap since. So not sure what is going on.

> I'm interested in getting involved and contributing back. Of course I'm also not sure how much work is involved just yet.

There isn't really that much work involved - not nearly as much as
powerpc/powerpc64 effort. If you are going to put in the effort, it
might be worth doing something semi official - as long as we can retain
the general build and distro policy of / for CentOS and we can get to a
state were we track build packages from i386 / x86-64.

There is a build machine hosted in the UK ( its a dell 2950 with 2 ia64
1.4Ghz - couple of gigs of ram and is on a fairly good network ). So we
would need to get together atleast another machine for testing purposes.
I'm guessing you already have some kit in place, which might be usable ?

How much of time are you really going to put into this ? I dont mean to
sound patronising, but it would to be good to work with someone who has
some level of commitment. Given that I have no personal interest in
ia64, and no hardware of my own that is ia64, and that rhel6 isn't going
to have a ia64 tree[1]; We really dont want to be in a situation wherein
we put something out, and then struggle to keep things moving along.[2]

- KB

[1]: does'nt mean we cant do one

[2]: within reason. No one expects anyone to commit on contract, 10 hrs
a week for 5 years. But it should not be a case of only putting this
effort in through the summer holidays, or a 'quiet phase at work' etc.

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Old 05-21-2010, 11:02 AM
"James A. Peltier"
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

----- "Karanbir Singh" <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:

| On 05/21/2010 11:05 AM, James A. Peltier wrote:
| > So what is it that you need? Just for someone like me to actually
| run it? What would be required if I wanted to maintain my own build
| and keep it up to date as an un-official copy?
|
| Yes, when I did the bootstrap - I had interest from 3 people, 1 of
| whom
| then changed jobs and his workplace dropped the ia64 cluster and moved
|
| to x86_64, the second guy had 1 ia64 machine which developed a problem
|
| and they didnt think its worth fixing it. I've not heard from the
| third
| chap since. So not sure what is going on.

My machine is not under a support contract from SGI, but also it is in full working condition. In its current state I would go through a graceful degradation if hardware were to fail and keep it running as long as I can. I have lots of spare parts.

| > I'm interested in getting involved and contributing back. Of course
| I'm also not sure how much work is involved just yet.
|
| There isn't really that much work involved - not nearly as much as
| powerpc/powerpc64 effort. If you are going to put in the effort, it
| might be worth doing something semi official - as long as we can
| retain
| the general build and distro policy of / for CentOS and we can get to
| a
| state were we track build packages from i386 / x86-64.
|

Alright, I'm willing to commit some time, but before diving in, as a general rough overview, what type of timeframe are we looking at to maintain a port? 5-10 hours a day, week, month?

| There is a build machine hosted in the UK ( its a dell 2950 with 2
| ia64
| 1.4Ghz - couple of gigs of ram and is on a fairly good network ). So
| we
| would need to get together atleast another machine for testing
| purposes.
| I'm guessing you already have some kit in place, which might be usable
| ?
|

Yup, as described and fully operational. I could get other hardware too.

| How much of time are you really going to put into this ? I dont mean
| to
| sound patronising, but it would to be good to work with someone who
| has
| some level of commitment. Given that I have no personal interest in
| ia64, and no hardware of my own that is ia64, and that rhel6 isn't
| going
| to have a ia64 tree[1]; We really dont want to be in a situation
| wherein
| we put something out, and then struggle to keep things moving
| along.[2]
|

I totally agree and I wouldn't want to put the project into that situation. I have the hardware here running 4.8. I would like to run 5.5 and keep these machines in production for as long as possible. I don't mind work and I'd like to try.

| - KB
|
| [1]: does'nt mean we cant do one
|
| [2]: within reason. No one expects anyone to commit on contract, 10
| hrs
| a week for 5 years. But it should not be a case of only putting this
| effort in through the summer holidays, or a 'quiet phase at work'
| etc.

This is not at all my intention. I want to keep it going as long as my hardware is running.

| PS: try not top posting

Sorry.

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Fax : 778-782-3045
E-Mail : jpeltier@sfu.ca
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:54 AM
Döhr, Markus ICC-H
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

> Yes, when I did the bootstrap - I had interest from 3 people,
> [...]

So I'll add myself to that "interest" too; we have three boxes here (two rx2600's and one rx4640 with 4 CPUs and 32 GB RAM). I could also invest "some" time, where "some" can be a few hours a week to longer, depending on my current workload.




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Old 05-21-2010, 01:14 PM
Karanbir Singh
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

Hi,

On 05/21/2010 12:02 PM, James A. Peltier wrote:
>
> Alright, I'm willing to commit some time, but before diving in, as a general rough overview, what type of timeframe are we looking at to maintain a port? 5-10 hours a day, week, month?
>

Sounds good, Let me now go away and see where are with ia64, whats
needed and what sort of time scales we can work against. I know that
Russ has also done some work on ia64, so maybe once we have a ToDo list,
a realtime syncup on irc would be a good way forward.

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Old 05-21-2010, 08:48 PM
"James A. Peltier"
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

----- "Karanbir Singh" <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:

| Hi,
|
| On 05/21/2010 12:02 PM, James A. Peltier wrote:
| >
| > Alright, I'm willing to commit some time, but before diving in, as a
| general rough overview, what type of timeframe are we looking at to
| maintain a port? 5-10 hours a day, week, month?
| >
|
| Sounds good, Let me now go away and see where are with ia64, whats
| needed and what sort of time scales we can work against. I know that
| Russ has also done some work on ia64, so maybe once we have a ToDo
| list,
| a realtime syncup on irc would be a good way forward.
|
| - KB
| _______________________________________________
| CentOS-devel mailing list
| CentOS-devel@centos.org
| http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel

Thanks for considering this. I'm excited to get started.

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Old 05-26-2010, 12:20 PM
Karanbir Singh
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

Hi,

Ok, so the IA64 build is actually quite straight forward but needs a
large disk. We just need to start the builders and make sure it can
churn through all packages done since 5.0 - if all is well, then things
*should* just build, since they did so upstream! and the i386/x86_64
packages for CentOS built out of the same code base. Once we can get to
the stage that 5.5 is at now, we can look at doing an iso set and build
tree.

No idea how long this is going to take. I am presently moving the 5.0 +
updates tree's into place ( the src.rpms ), once that is done we can see
what sort of a buildrate we get per day and do some numbers from there on.

I don't want to overload dev.c.o with the output, so let me have a chat
with Ralph and Tru and we can workout what is a good place to post this
content.

Ideally, it would be good to have a Failed: report that lists the issues
encountered during the build be posted online right away. So people can
look at it and see if anything specific needs doing. For things that do
build, we can setup a six hourly 'sweep' that moves packages into place.

More details in a day or so.

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Old 05-26-2010, 03:08 PM
"James A. Peltier"
 
Default Interested in IA64 build.

Thanks for your work on this Karanbir and team.

----- "Karanbir Singh" <mail-lists@karan.org> wrote:

| Hi,
|
| Ok, so the IA64 build is actually quite straight forward but needs a
| large disk. We just need to start the builders and make sure it can
| churn through all packages done since 5.0 - if all is well, then
| things
| *should* just build, since they did so upstream! and the i386/x86_64
| packages for CentOS built out of the same code base. Once we can get
| to
| the stage that 5.5 is at now, we can look at doing an iso set and
| build
| tree.
|
| No idea how long this is going to take. I am presently moving the 5.0
| +
| updates tree's into place ( the src.rpms ), once that is done we can
| see
| what sort of a buildrate we get per day and do some numbers from there
| on.
|
| I don't want to overload dev.c.o with the output, so let me have a
| chat
| with Ralph and Tru and we can workout what is a good place to post
| this
| content.
|
| Ideally, it would be good to have a Failed: report that lists the
| issues
| encountered during the build be posted online right away. So people
| can
| look at it and see if anything specific needs doing. For things that
| do
| build, we can setup a six hourly 'sweep' that moves packages into
| place.
|
| More details in a day or so.
|
| - KB
| _______________________________________________
| CentOS-devel mailing list
| CentOS-devel@centos.org
| http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel

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Fax : 778-782-3045
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