Actually, i don't use it on my desktop, but when my laptop is on (work
and i keep it permanently on on my desk at home), i'm on Arch

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Loui <louipc.ist@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 02:22:53PM -0400, Jeff Horelick wrote:
>> Also, i did mention in my original post that i'd try to be in
>> #archlinux more. I'm currently doing stuff around the house this early
>> afternoon, but i will be on #archlinux shortly.
>
> I feel a little dumber whenever I hang out in #archlinux for some
> reason. HA HA. At least you can hang out in some of the other channels
> like #archlinux-aur or #archlinux-tu when you become a TU. IRC is
> usually a huge time sucker though, so I wouldn't worry about it.
>
> I guess the fact that you don't use Arch that much compared to other
> distros is a bit of a concern. If you become a TU then we'll have a
> better reason to start the brainwashing and make you into a total
> Arch fiend.
>
> Hooray!
>
>
>

That would be a long story involving some "secretive" Debian Drama
(between me and 2/3 other people via email/IM) that i'd really rather
not pull into the mix.

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Mateusz Herych <heniekk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/7/27 Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com>:
>> As far as what i've maintained when i was a Debian developer: I've
>> maintained msttcorefonts, early versions of conky, gftp and a few
>> other things i don't remember (It was 4 years ago).
>
> Hi.
>
> Here are changelogs of msttcorefonts:
> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/contrib/m/msttcorefonts/msttcorefonts_1.8/changelog
> ... conky:
> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/conky/conky_1.4.4-1/changelog
> .. and gftp:
> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gftp/gftp_2.0.18-17/changelog
>
> I don't see your name in these changelogs. Can you explain this?
>
> Regards,
> Mateusz.
>
>

Jeff Horelick wrote:

That would be a long story involving some "secretive" Debian Drama
(between me and 2/3 other people via email/IM) that i'd really rather
not pull into the mix.



I'm glad you cleared up your strong statement about fixing packages. I
hope it was just a case of being overly keen and taking a step too
far... such situations should always be dealt with through the bug
tracker for community packages and as a comment on the AUR for
unsupported packages. We have a policy in place about the process of
orphaning a package in the AUR.


But I'm afraid you are going to have to be a bit more specific about you
being an ex Debian developer if you want anyone to vote for you. There
is also no mention of you in the changelogs of gftp and conky. This
experience was a primary factor in my choosing to sponsor you despite
having few packages in the AUR. With that being questioned, your whole
application is on very, very shaky ground, which is more than a bit
embarrassing for me as your sponsor.


Allan

I'm sorry, but i'm not going to do that. It was drama, it was a few
years ago when i was younger and stupider. It's no longer an issue
between myself and the parties involved so as i mentioned, i'm not
going to bring it up and i very much hope this will be the last of the
issue of if i was a Debian Developer or not. Let's just say i didn't
want my name affiliated with Debian anymore when i left and leave it
at that.

Here's my honest, no BS opinion: There are currently only 27 TU's and
36 developers in this project. I have the skills to be a very capable
TU. I more or less don't care if you vote for me to be a TU to be
perfectly honest. It's not going to plague me in the morning that i
didn't get enough votes. I only feel that i'd bring something useful
to a community with currently a lot of ground to cover (~9600 packages
in the AUR) and from what i can see, not enough people to cover it.

Thanks
I hope you all do the right thing FOR THE COMMUNITY.
JD

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org> wrote:
> Jeff Horelick wrote:
>>
>> That would be a long story involving some "secretive" Debian Drama
>> (between me and 2/3 other people via email/IM) that i'd really rather
>> not pull into the mix.
>>
> But I'm afraid you are going to have to be a bit more specific about you
> being an ex Debian developer if you want anyone to vote for you. There is
> also no mention of you in the changelogs of gftp and conky. This experience
> was a primary factor in my choosing to sponsor you despite having few
> packages in the AUR. With that being questioned, your whole application is
> on very, very shaky ground, which is more than a bit embarrassing for me as
> your sponsor.
>
> Allan
>

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:13, Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry, but i'm not going to do that. It was drama, it was a few
> years ago when i was younger and stupider. It's no longer an issue
> between myself and the parties involved so as i mentioned, i'm not
> going to bring it up and i very much hope this will be the last of the
> issue of if i was a Debian Developer or not. Let's just say i didn't
> want my name affiliated with Debian anymore when i left and leave it
> at that.

Please, don't present yourself as an ex-DD if you don't want to be
affiliated anymore.

I'll vote for you if someone announces that he wants to sponsor you at
the end of the discussion period.

> I hope you all do the right thing FOR THE COMMUNITY.
You made me sad, deep in my heart. I would love to speak English more
fluently to express all those feelings. Don't take that personnaly
please

Anyway, please keep contributing!

And please quote random E-mails you left in the l.d.o archives (like
your application), that will stop most people's doubts and should be
rather easy to do.

--
Geoffroy Carrier

I thought i'd mention this because it's still important. I refuse to
provide any proof that i am/was a DD. If you choose not to believe me,
fine, if you choose to believe me, great. I will continue to use Arch
(possibly go over to it on my main system in the near future),
recommend it to friends (i've prolly gotten 10 people hooked on it at
least), maintain my own packages on the AUR, contribute on the wiki
and continue to contribute in the forums.

> I'm sorry, but i'm not going to do that. It was drama, it was a few
> years ago when i was younger and stupider. It's no longer an issue
> between myself and the parties involved so as i mentioned, i'm not
> going to bring it up and i very much hope this will be the last of the
> issue of if i was a Debian Developer or not. Let's just say i didn't
> want my name affiliated with Debian anymore when i left and leave it
> at that.

Hey JD and the gang;

No I am not intending to be "heaping it on" here, but alas I cannot let
this go without comment.

If you expected the TU community to not go and check your credentials
then, as you can clearly see, it did not work.

And since you brought this matter up without any prompting from any of
us, it is NOT your position to expect the scrutiny OR the discussion in
this matter to end now, (simply because you wish it to).

Best regards;

Bob Finch

P.S. What I read below is beneath comment. It saddens me that you wrote
this. More especially since it was in reply to your sponsor.

A short observation -> IMHO adding someone who appears so willing to be
confrontational is *NOT* doing the "right thing FOR THE COMMUNITY".


>
> Here's my honest, no BS opinion: There are currently only 27 TU's and
> 36 developers in this project. I have the skills to be a very capable
> TU. I more or less don't care if you vote for me to be a TU to be
> perfectly honest. It's not going to plague me in the morning that i
> didn't get enough votes. I only feel that i'd bring something useful
> to a community with currently a lot of ground to cover (~9600 packages
> in the AUR) and from what i can see, not enough people to cover it.
>
> Thanks
> I hope you all do the right thing FOR THE COMMUNITY.
> JD
>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org>
> wrote:
>> Jeff Horelick wrote:
>>>
>>> That would be a long story involving some "secretive" Debian Drama
>>> (between me and 2/3 other people via email/IM) that i'd really
>>> rather not pull into the mix.
>>>
>> But I'm afraid you are going to have to be a bit more specific about
>> you being an ex Debian developer if you want anyone to vote for you.
>> There is also no mention of you in the changelogs of gftp and conky.
>> This experience was a primary factor in my choosing to sponsor you
>> despite having few packages in the AUR. With that being questioned,
>> your whole application is on very, very shaky ground, which is more
>> than a bit embarrassing for me as your sponsor.
>>
>> Allan

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:54, Jeff Horelick <jdhore1@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought i'd mention this because it's still important. I refuse to
> provide any proof that i am/was a DD. If you choose not to believe me,
> fine, if you choose to believe me, great. I will continue to use Arch
> (possibly go over to it on my main system in the near future),
> recommend it to friends (i've prolly gotten 10 people hooked on it at
> least), maintain my own packages on the AUR, contribute on the wiki
> and continue to contribute in the forums.

Thank you.

I like to think I'm a scientist and not a believer.
I asked on #debian-devel@OFTC

05:43 < ana> gcarrier: http://db.debian.org/
05:47 < ana> even if he is not a DD anymore he will be there, without gpg key
05:47 < ana> gcarrier: could you ask him for his gpg/pgp key?
05:49 < ana> (i'm not 100% sure about the still being in the LDAP, but
people i know resigned long time ago are still there)

05:52 < ana> gcarrier: no Jeff Horelick in emeritus/Removed keyring

As you might guess, you being a DD or not is not really the subject.
No distro war here: I don't care as I don't think maintaining source
debs and being a TU don't have a lot in common.
It's about being able to be a *Trusted* User (BTW, thank you again folks .

--
Geoffroy Carrier

Can i cancel my application? I realized i have better things to do
with my time than face an inquisition. I'm done with Arch in the way
of caring about being a TU or a full-on developer.

Jeff Horelick wrote:

Can i cancel my application? I realized i have better things to do
with my time than face an inquisition. I'm done with Arch in the way
of caring about being a TU or a full-on developer.



Done.

This whole event has been very disappointing for me and I think this
ending is for the best. But I will continue taking the risk of
sponsoring people I peripherally know as all my previous "risks" have
paid off nicely. Also, I don't want the barrier of entry here to be too
high because no-one will take a risk with a potentially lesser known but
still very competent user.


Oh well, you win some, you lose some...

Cheers,
Allan