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Dmitry Korzhevin 09-12-2012 07:57 AM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
Please, disown package tmux-git

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=35618

Last Updated: Sun, 29 May 2011 23:43:23 +0000



Best regards,
Dmitry Korzhevin

Alexander Rødseth 09-12-2012 02:01 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
Hi,

Disowned. Thanks.

--
Cordially,
Alexander Rødseth
Arch Linux Trusted User
(xyproto on IRC, trontonic on AUR)

SanskritFritz 09-12-2012 02:48 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Alexander Rødseth <rodseth@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Disowned. Thanks.

I find this a bit interesting and alarming. The OP has not shared any
details about any reason or about writing emails to the maintainer,
nevetheless you disowned the package without asking. May we know the
reason?
This process is too open if you ask me, anyone can ask here to disown
any package. Now there are packages in the AUR which I trust, because
I trust the maintainer, hence I don't check the PKGBUILD before every
update. A git package can be changed any time without version check,
but it will be compiled every day when I makepkg. So to summarise:
someone asks for a disown here, gives no reasons why. You orphan it,
anyone can adopt it immediately and change the package as he wants. I
update the package using cower, and trust that the maintainer has not
changed (I know, my mistake), so I have an altered package without my
knowledge. Am I missing something?

Dave Reisner 09-12-2012 03:03 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 04:48:11PM +0200, SanskritFritz wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Alexander Rødseth <rodseth@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Disowned. Thanks.
>
> I find this a bit interesting and alarming. The OP has not shared any
> details about any reason or about writing emails to the maintainer,
> nevetheless you disowned the package without asking. May we know the
> reason?
> This process is too open if you ask me, anyone can ask here to disown
> any package. Now there are packages in the AUR which I trust, because
> I trust the maintainer, hence I don't check the PKGBUILD before every
> update. A git package can be changed any time without version check,
> but it will be compiled every day when I makepkg. So to summarise:
> someone asks for a disown here, gives no reasons why. You orphan it,
> anyone can adopt it immediately and change the package as he wants. I
> update the package using cower, and trust that the maintainer has not
> changed (I know, my mistake), so I have an altered package without my
> knowledge. Am I missing something?

I think you're hugely overreacting. The TUs do a tremendous job of
dealing with the constant onslaught of these requests. On the whole, I
think they do an excellent job of auditing and doing the right thing.
It's extremely rare that there's any drama or questioning of their
actions. If you have evidence to the contrary occurring on this list,
please feel free to correct me.

That said, I think this is one _isolated_ case where perhaps the OP
should have been questioned and this package not immediately disowned.

dave

rafael ff1 09-12-2012 03:03 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
2012/9/12 SanskritFritz <sanskritfritz@gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Alexander Rødseth <rodseth@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Disowned. Thanks.
>
> I find this a bit interesting and alarming. The OP has not shared any
> details about any reason or about writing emails to the maintainer,
> nevetheless you disowned the package without asking. May we know the
> reason?
> This process is too open if you ask me, anyone can ask here to disown
> any package. Now there are packages in the AUR which I trust, because
> I trust the maintainer, hence I don't check the PKGBUILD before every
> update. A git package can be changed any time without version check,
> but it will be compiled every day when I makepkg. So to summarise:
> someone asks for a disown here, gives no reasons why. You orphan it,
> anyone can adopt it immediately and change the package as he wants. I
> update the package using cower, and trust that the maintainer has not
> changed (I know, my mistake), so I have an altered package without my
> knowledge. Am I missing something?

No need for such harsh email. I don't think TUs would disown before
analising some evidences, like why it is out-of-date, whether the
maintainer is active or not, dates, etc.

Anyway, this maintainer had only one package sent more than a year ago
and did not replied for a week. It doesn't look like he is actually
maintaining something.

Simon Perry 09-12-2012 03:23 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
On 12/09/12, Dave Reisner wrote:

| That said, I think this is one _isolated_ case where perhaps the OP
| should have been questioned and this package not immediately disowned.

You're right on both counts - it is an isolated case (given what I've
seen on this list), yet OP was horribly lacking in detail.

I guess you could also say, ignoring the overreaction, SanskritFritz is
keeping the process honest.

P.S. You're right on a third count - the TUs do a great job.

--
Simon Perry (aka Pezz)

Alexander Rødseth 09-12-2012 03:56 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
Hi,

He was using his a custom git repo at:
git://github.com/ThomasAdam/tmux.git
Instead of the official one at:
git://tmux.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/tmux/tmux
This was the main reason I disowned it so readily. Using a custom git
repo does not instill trust.

In addition to this, it was both flagged for a while (+1 for
disowning) and being requested for being disowned here (another +1 in
my book).

If he had been using the official repo, or the package was named
something like "tmux-funny-custom-repo-git", I would have put
particular care into checking that the maintainer was indeed emailed
two weeks in advance, without any reply back. Look only to previous
disown requests for a confirmation that this how I normally handle
things, if there is any doubt.

Hope this clears things up and/or is understandable and/or is easily forgivable.

PS. Thanks for the support, Dave. I think I speak for all TUs when I
say that the Devs does a brilliant job as well.

--
Best regards,
Alexander Rødseth
Arch Linux Trusted User
(xyproto on IRC, trontonic on AUR)

Giorgio Lando 09-12-2012 05:22 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
2012/9/12 Alexander Rødseth <rodseth@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> He was using his a custom git repo at:
> git://github.com/ThomasAdam/tmux.git
> Instead of the official one at:
> git://tmux.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/tmux/tmux
> This was the main reason I disowned it so readily. Using a custom git
> repo does not instill trust.

Perhaps the OP, providing a link, was also implicitly referencing to
the comments in the AUR page, where this circumstance (custom git
repo)
has been remarked by me in a comment, without any reply from the maintainer.
As a merely historical remark, this package was legitimately using a
custom git repo in the past because there wasn't an official git repo
for tmux (tmux was using svn): it has been created a couple of weeks
ago

Dmitry Korzhevin 09-12-2012 05:40 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
12.09.2012 20:22, Giorgio Lando пишет:
> 2012/9/12 Alexander Rødseth <rodseth@gmail.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> He was using his a custom git repo at:
>> git://github.com/ThomasAdam/tmux.git Instead of the official one
>> at: git://tmux.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/tmux/tmux This was the
>> main reason I disowned it so readily. Using a custom git repo
>> does not instill trust.
>
> Perhaps the OP, providing a link, was also implicitly referencing
> to the comments in the AUR page, where this circumstance (custom
> git repo) has been remarked by me in a comment, without any reply
> from the maintainer. As a merely historical remark, this package
> was legitimately using a custom git repo in the past because there
> wasn't an official git repo for tmux (tmux was using svn): it has
> been created a couple of weeks ago
>

Hello,

Package was adopted and updated.


Best regards,
Dmitry Korzhevin

Dmitry Korzhevin 09-12-2012 05:51 PM

Disown request: tmux-git
 
12.09.2012 20:22, Giorgio Lando пишет:
> 2012/9/12 Alexander Rødseth <rodseth@gmail.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> He was using his a custom git repo at:
>> git://github.com/ThomasAdam/tmux.git Instead of the official one
>> at: git://tmux.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/tmux/tmux This was the
>> main reason I disowned it so readily. Using a custom git repo
>> does not instill trust.
>
> Perhaps the OP, providing a link, was also implicitly referencing
> to the comments in the AUR page, where this circumstance (custom
> git repo) has been remarked by me in a comment, without any reply
> from the maintainer. As a merely historical remark, this package
> was legitimately using a custom git repo in the past because there
> wasn't an official git repo for tmux (tmux was using svn): it has
> been created a couple of weeks ago
>

Hi,

I am also active user of tmux and subscribed to tmux-users list ;)


Best regards,
Dmitry Korzhevin


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