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Old 11-21-2007, 02:33 PM
Xavier
 
Default [pacman-dev] "local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway?" question

On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 04:02:46PM +0100, Nagy Gabor wrote:
> > For testing the last patch from Nagy that makes the "dependency cycle"
> > warning more verbose, I wanted to do :
> > pacman -S base
> > But then cancel the operation.
> > The problem is that, for every package, I got the following question :
> > local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway?
> >
> > I couldn't use --noconfirm , because I didn't want to actually do the
> > operation, only preview it.
> > Also, --noconfirm will answer other questions than this one.
> >
> > Actually, this is exactly the issue that was mentioned in this thread :
> > http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=35901
> > The only way was to use the --ask option, which was too complicated and has
> > been removed. We probably don't need the power of this function anyway.
> > But maybe we could have a replacement, just for this "local version is up to
> > date" question.
> > Or, is this question really useful anyway? How often do we try installing an
> > already installed package, without the intention to reinstall it?
>
> See also my comments here: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8242
>
> Well, I never used the --ask option before, so I don't know what that did. So I
> may want to (re)implement it.

You can see the above forum thread where I tried to explain it.
Or look at the commit where it was removed:
http://projects.archlinux.org/git/?p=pacman.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ff8e7f364a9f640ada75 26384646d510ac29967

>
> > Or maybe pacman could just print a warning instead :
> > # pacman -S foo
> > warning : foo is already installed
> > ...
>
> This seems OK to me (if in this case foo will be upgraded): atm I cannot find
> any case when an already-installed package is pulled to target list "automatically".
>

I guess it's mostly useful when you want to check that something is
installed. For example, you're following a guide on archwiki and you
copy/paste a pacman -S command, because you're not sure which tools are
installed.
So it looks like the two use cases are possible :
1) reinstalling all the packages
2) only install the missing ones

So it seems like in all cases, you want to either answer all the "Upgrade
anyway?" questions by yes, or all by no.
So maybe yet another option / flag would be better for choosing the answer
globally, instead of case by case

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Old 11-21-2007, 03:46 PM
Xavier
 
Default [pacman-dev] "local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway?" question

On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:19:25AM -0500, Dan McGee wrote:
> This seems like the mirror of your --unneeded option, in a way. Not
> sure if --needed is really the best way to describe it, but it is a
> possibility.
>

Yes, kind of.

> This would also allow us to remove the -F option if we ported it to
> -U/-A as well.
>

Except that -F apparently doesn't want to install new packages, only upgrade
existing but outdated ones.
While the option I had in mind for -S would either install new packages, or
upgrading existing but outdated ones.

But I never used -F once in all the time I used Arch. Who uses this option?
I actually was surprised when I first saw it some times ago. And I already
forgot it existed, since I never see it mentioned anywhere.

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Old 11-22-2007, 05:48 PM
Xavier
 
Default [pacman-dev] "local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway?" question

On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 05:46:59PM +0100, Xavier wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:19:25AM -0500, Dan McGee wrote:
> > This seems like the mirror of your --unneeded option, in a way. Not
> > sure if --needed is really the best way to describe it, but it is a
> > possibility.
> >
>
> Yes, kind of.
>

It's very easy to implement, but I'm still wondering if people will like it
:P

So here is an example with pacman -S xorg:


** Current behavior (pressing enter at each question for the default answer) :


xav@nx7400> sudo pacman -S xorg
:: group xorg:
xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-video-vesa xorg-fonts-100dpi
xorg-fonts-75dpi xorg-res-utils xorg-server xorg-twm xorg-xinit xterm
:: Install whole content? [Y/n]
:: xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2-2: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n]
:: xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3-1: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n]
:: xorg-server-1.4-5: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n]
:: xorg-xinit-1.0.7-1: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n]
:: xterm-229-2: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n]
resolving dependencies... done.
looking for inter-conflicts... done.

Targets: xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2-2 xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3-1
xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0-5 xorg-fonts-100dpi-1.0.1-1 xorg-fonts-75dpi-1.0.1-2
xorg-res-utils-1.0.3-2 xorg-server-1.4-5 xorg-twm-1.0.1-2 xorg-xinit-1.0.7-1
xterm-229-2

Total Download Size: 22.89 MB
Total Installed Size: 29.84 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]


** New behavior:


xav@nx7400> sudo src/pacman/pacman -S xorg
:: group xorg:
xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-video-vesa xorg-fonts-100dpi
xorg-fonts-75dpi xorg-res-utils xorg-server xorg-twm xorg-xinit xterm
:: Install whole content? [Y/n]
warning: xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2-2 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: xorg-server-1.4-5 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: xorg-xinit-1.0.7-1 is up to date -- reinstalling
warning: xterm-229-2 is up to date -- reinstalling
resolving dependencies... done.
looking for inter-conflicts... done.

Targets: xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2-2 xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3-1
xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0-5 xorg-fonts-100dpi-1.0.1-1 xorg-fonts-75dpi-1.0.1-2
xorg-res-utils-1.0.3-2 xorg-server-1.4-5 xorg-twm-1.0.1-2 xorg-xinit-1.0.7-1
xterm-229-2

Total Download Size: 22.89 MB
Total Installed Size: 29.84 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]


** Current behavior (anwering no to all uptodate questions) :


xav@nx7400> sudo pacman -S xorg
:: group xorg:
xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-video-vesa xorg-fonts-100dpi
xorg-fonts-75dpi xorg-res-utils xorg-server xorg-twm xorg-xinit xterm
:: Install whole content? [Y/n]
:: xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2-2: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n] n
warning: xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2-2 is up to date -- skipping
:: xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3-1: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n] n
warning: xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3-1 is up to date -- skipping
:: xorg-server-1.4-5: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n] n
warning: xorg-server-1.4-5 is up to date -- skipping
:: xorg-xinit-1.0.7-1: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n] n
warning: xorg-xinit-1.0.7-1 is up to date -- skipping
:: xterm-229-2: local version is up to date. Upgrade anyway? [Y/n] n
warning: xterm-229-2 is up to date -- skipping
resolving dependencies... done.
looking for inter-conflicts... done.

Targets: xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0-5 xorg-fonts-100dpi-1.0.1-1 xorg-fonts-75dpi-1.0.1-2
xorg-res-utils-1.0.3-2 xorg-twm-1.0.1-2

Total Download Size: 22.89 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n] n


** New behavior with --needed:


xav@nx7400> sudo src/pacman/pacman -S --needed xorg
:: group xorg:
xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-video-vesa xorg-fonts-100dpi
xorg-fonts-75dpi xorg-res-utils xorg-server xorg-twm xorg-xinit xterm
:: Install whole content? [Y/n]
warning: xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2-2 is up to date -- skipping
warning: xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: xorg-server-1.4-5 is up to date -- skipping
warning: xorg-xinit-1.0.7-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: xterm-229-2 is up to date -- skipping
resolving dependencies... done.
looking for inter-conflicts... done.

Targets: xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0-5 xorg-fonts-100dpi-1.0.1-1
xorg-fonts-75dpi-1.0.1-2 xorg-res-utils-1.0.3-2 xorg-twm-1.0.1-2

Total Download Size: 22.89 MB

Proceed with installation? [Y/n]

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