Hi,

* G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> [2012-10-09 17:43:17 +0200]:
> i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.
> now that systemd smoothly comes to be standart, i would like to
> understand, how this affects my machine.

you _should_ be able to continue using initscripts for some while even
when systemd is the default.

> as this is a vps, i have no control over the running kernel, which
> is a 2.6.36.4-vs2.3.0.36.39-netcup atm. (netcup is a german
> webhosting provider).

This kernel version is more or less 2 years old, I'd suggest telling
your provider to upgrade.

Systemd needs at least 2.6.39 I think, and also some options (see [1])
enabled, so I think it's safe to say systemd won't run on your VPS.

> at what point will i (propably) get in trouble because of systemd,
> when (if ever) will i be unable to boot with this machine if i keep
> updating?

At the point there's an upgrade with systemd replacing sysvinit.
I'd add systemd and systemd-sysvcompat to IgnorePkg in
/etc/pacman.conf and hope.

Florian

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Q:_What_kernel_options_do_I_need_to_enable _in_my_kernel_in_case_I_do_not_use_the_official_Ar ch_kernel.3F
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Am 09.10.2012 20:34, schrieb Florian Bruhin:
> At the point there's an upgrade with systemd replacing sysvinit.
> I'd add systemd and systemd-sysvcompat to IgnorePkg in
> /etc/pacman.conf and hope.

Bad idea. initscripts require the systemd package, even when you don't
run systemd itself.

There are no immediate plans to drop the initscripts and sysvinit
packages - and there will be an announcement before that.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
> Am 09.10.2012 20:34, schrieb Florian Bruhin:
>> At the point there's an upgrade with systemd replacing sysvinit.
>> I'd add systemd and systemd-sysvcompat to IgnorePkg in
>> /etc/pacman.conf and hope.
>
> Bad idea. initscripts require the systemd package, even when you don't
> run systemd itself.
>
> There are no immediate plans to drop the initscripts and sysvinit
> packages - and there will be an announcement before that.

Just don't install systemd-sysvcompat, no need to hold back the systemd package.

-t

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> wrote:

> hi list,
> i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.
>
>
This might be related to your question. But I am wondering which VPS
provider provides a 64-bit kernel.

On 10/10/2012 at 8:29 AM, "Abdul Halim Mat Ali" <sagikliwon@gmail.com> wrote:On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> wrote:

>> hi list,
>> i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.
>>
>>
>This might be related to your question. But I am wondering which VPS
>provider provides a 64-bit kernel.

He said:
"as this is a vps, i have no control over the running kernel, which is a
2.6.36.4-vs2.3.0.36.39-netcup atm. (netcup is a german webhosting provider)."
So I'd suggest you check out netcup.de


mfg narve

Am 10.10.2012 07:36, schrieb Abdul Halim Mat Ali:

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> wrote:


hi list,
i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.



This might be related to your question. But I am wondering which VPS
provider provides a 64-bit kernel.

as indicated in my initial post, provider is netcup. somehow, they just
provide 64bit systems [1].


[1] http://www.netcup.de/vserver/vserver_guenstig_qualitaet.php (german)

On 10/09/2012 10:36 PM, Abdul Halim Mat Ali wrote:

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> wrote:


hi list,
i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.



This might be related to your question. But I am wondering which VPS
provider provides a 64-bit kernel.

I know Linode does. I don't know about others.

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