On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:13:33AM +0200, Kwpolska wrote:
> Huh? I've never seen any complaints about udev before you.

udev is kinda crufty. And it really doesn't belong inside
the same monolithic program that manages startup and file-
system mounting.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:12:05PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> I've been wondering what the best term for 'corporate' or 'enterprise'
> software like exchange is where they change your nappies for you but
> also offer you razor wire to hang yourself with by giving you IE to
> browse the web on the mail server itself and encouraging compulsory
> remote wipe for clients!

I've always just called it "commoditized software" when I'm not
surging with invective and use the term "infantile computing BS"

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 04:45:34PM +0200, Jakob Herrmann wrote:
> So which components (obviously used by the majority of Arch users) do
> currently have or will soon have hardcoded! dependencies to systemd?

udev.

Upstream, Gnome has considered it.

> > So which components (obviously used by the majority of Arch users) do
> > currently have or will soon have hardcoded! dependencies to systemd?
>
> udev.
>
> Upstream, Gnome has considered it.

You know why, because according to heise some of their longterm devs
have left leaving more than half the devs being RedHat employees.

p.s. I have nothing against RedHat, I value they're work, mostly the
work which goes unnoticed. Unfortunately the most prominent of they're
work gets a bad rep or is it more prominent because of the rep?
I think both because it often has a bad user experience and
interaction factor.

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On Tuesday 28 Aug 2012 11:16:38 Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> You know why, because according to heise some of their longterm devs
> have left leaving more than half the devs being RedHat employees.
>
> p.s. I have nothing against RedHat, I value they're work, mostly the
> work which goes unnoticed. Unfortunately the most prominent of they're
> work gets a bad rep or is it more prominent because of the rep? I
> think both because it often has a bad user experience and
> interaction factor.

In this context, I had shared a link where systemd devs had suggested
gnome devs to consider adding systemd as a dependency due to some
funcitonality which was present in systemd only. [1]

What is going on I am not sure, but this shows that GNOME in future is
going to have a hard dependency on systemd.

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[1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00427.html

On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 16:43 +0530, Jayesh Badwaik wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 Aug 2012 11:16:38 Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > You know why, because according to heise some of their longterm devs
> > have left leaving more than half the devs being RedHat employees.
> >
> > p.s. I have nothing against RedHat, I value they're work, mostly the
> > work which goes unnoticed. Unfortunately the most prominent of
> they're
> > work gets a bad rep or is it more prominent because of the rep? I
> > think both because it often has a bad user experience and
> > interaction factor.
>
> In this context, I had shared a link where systemd devs had suggested
> gnome devs to consider adding systemd as a dependency due to some
> funcitonality which was present in systemd only. [1]
>
> What is going on I am not sure, but this shows that GNOME in future
> is
> going to have a hard dependency on systemd.
>
> [1]
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00427.html

If somebody doesn't want to use systemd, IMO it's easy to quit GNOME. I
don't think that gcalctool and other small apps will have a dependency
chain, as well as GTK. Or could it become that extreme? Sorry for the
noob question, Ralf