On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:

> Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same
> pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and
> then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket.

Nobody in the pro audio world falls for that nonsense.

What you refer to is the bizarre ecosystem of the
'audiophiles', generally people having too much
money and no technical understanding at all. They'll
buy whatever is expensive, up to equipment required
to periodically flush out the old and tired electrons
from their left-twisting-oxygen cables and replace them
with young and fresh ones.

Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share
of nonsense, but it's different nonsense.

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On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 02:08 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> The same pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as
> your arm and then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket.
>

No, that are rich consumers. I don't think that all of those consumers
are stupid audiophiles, I guess some simply have the money and like the
design. Cables used by professionals are not that expensive, but they
also aren't stylish.

> Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share
> of nonsense, but it's different nonsense.

Yeah but that stuff is usually just irritating but the audiophile
example is a little funny without explanation.

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On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 12:21 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share
> > of nonsense, but it's different nonsense.
>
> Yeah but that stuff is usually just irritating but the audiophile
> example is a little funny without explanation.

One hand washes the other. Pro audio and video are hard businesses.
Sometimes nonsense is just there, to save jobs.
Faith can move mountains. IOW nonsense can be a motivation.
Emotional beings shouldn't make their world to rational.

On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.

Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the
soldering joints are ok. It's less expensive, since in Germany we've got
an online retailer who sells equipment for less money. People from other
European countries perhaps know the retailer too .

For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once
asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world
after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean.

Btw. very rational advertising:
http://www.rean-connectors.com/website/themes/rean/images/rean_theme.jpg
at
http://www.rean-connectors.com/

On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 18:20 +0200, Karol Blazewicz wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> >> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
> >
> > Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the
> > soldering joints are ok. It's less expensive, since in Germany we've got
> > an online retailer who sells equipment for less money. People from other
> > European countries perhaps know the retailer too .
> >
> > For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once
> > asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world
> > after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean.
> >
> > Btw. very rational advertising:
> > http://www.rean-connectors.com/website/themes/rean/images/rean_theme.jpg
> > at
> > http://www.rean-connectors.com/
> >
>
> This still is Arch ML, so discussion about audio stuff should be taken
> to Arch-Audio or some place like that.

Ok. Apologize, digression happens, at least we stop to discuss about ...
have forgotten the name of this coder. Easing of tension might be not
that worse. Am I mistaken? It's marked as OT. However, you are right,
but you anyway should be aware how communication works. There isn't
rational behavior for emotional beings. I only know this expectations
from Linux mailing lists. I hope we are human, emotional beings.

Has software nothing to do with the context, usage?

Regards,
Ralf

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once
> asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world
> after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean.

Which is Neutrik made in China :-)

Best XLRs are from Switchcraft.

Ciao,

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It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)

On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 16:35 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once
> > asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world
> > after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean.
>
> Which is Neutrik made in China :-)

Yes, but they seem to differ positively.

> Best XLRs are from Switchcraft.

I'm not talking just about XLR, however I only heard good about
Switchcraft and didn't experience anything bad myself.

I always check what is available at thoma... and reiche... first, for
less money. I still would buy Neutrik, when they are cheap at the time I
do an order.

On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 19:53 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> Two points:
>
> - You don't readjust the master continuously, but you don't
> add/remove sources on the fly either. You adjust the master in the
> beginning when you setup your system, but the reason you can do that
> is because you know exactly what sources you will have and what
> kinds of levels those sources generate.

That's "more "more"" or less true. But regarding to PA, PA can't have
all this information . Yep, it's your argument, that what PA does is
correct.
You aren't completely wrong. I still vote for "headroom" and a classical
analog style. Or much better "self responsibility", sorry, I couldn't
resist. Use jackd, read the ffffffffff manual and control audio streams
yourself. Automation always tends to fail.

YMMV!
Ralf

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:33:41PM +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:

> Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > 16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the
> > signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases,
> > the error (a rounding error) is random and appears as noise. For a
> > 16-bit card, that noise will have a level that is 98 dB lower than
> > the maximum amplitude sine wave it can produce. Let's assume the card
> > is not really 'perfect' and you actually have 95 dB of dynamic range.
> >
> Where does that 98dB come from? A factor of 2 is roughly 3dB, so 16
> bits should mean 3x16=48dB, no? Taking this figure, your example
> where the maximum level is set to 110dB will leave 62dB for pure
> noise, i.e between the level of a TV set and a handheld electric
> mixer (1) so perfectly audible.

Sigh....

Is it *really* asking to much to look up and understand at least
the *very very basics* before you post instead of showing your
complete ignorance ???

Sorry if this sound harsh, but if you don't know where that 98
dB comes from your are not in any position to question what I
wrote. And I am not providing free education.

Ciao,

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FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)