> - The rc.conf used to be the center of all config files.
I think this would be the core of my suggestion: Why not just allow
rc.conf (if it doesn't already) to source additional files? Then
people can divide rc.conf according to whatever makes sense for them.
Admittedly, it's weird having both conf.d and, I'm guessing, rc.conf.d
but what I'm seeing on the Arch General list so far doesn't amount to
a coherent explanation for "fixing what ain't broke."
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On 07/22/12 05:39, Nelson Marambio wrote:
> Am 22.07.2012 10:58, schrieb gt:
>
>> You can try aptosid, or linux mint debian edition.
>>
>
> Really Mint ? I switched FROM Mint TO Arch because upgrading Mint
> ended up in a re-installation of the whole system :-(
Yes, dist-upgrade simply doesn't work anymore because Ubuntu, Mint,
and I assume Debian are all making changes between releases that break
the upgrades. That, too, is why I switched to Arch Linux.
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On 07/22/12 05:29, Karol Babioch wrote:
> I never quite liked the idea of rc.conf, as this was something very
> specific to Arch.
>
This is not true. rc.conf was common on *BSD (and I assume it still is).
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On 22 Jul 2012 20:53, "Leonid Isaev" <lisaev@umail.iu.edu> wrote:
> I wonder why everyone thinks that Archlinux is about a single config
file...
> It is the same myth as "Arch is faster than distro XYZ" or the "simple
BSD init".
No myth it is!
"Arch's simple init system is heavily inspired by the *BSD way of
incorporating calls from a single file (rc.conf) rather than the SysVinit
directory structure containing dozens of symlinks for each runlevel."
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux
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07-22-2012, 11:57 PM
Rodrigo Rivas
My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons@linuxaudio.org>wrote:
> The dumbest thing I've come across was in Fedora 8 or so where
> some well hidden *binary* file, called from god knows where -
> I never found out - was used to create 'Desktop', 'Music', etc.
> directories in the user's home on each login.
That _hidden_ program is `xdg-user-dirs-update`, which is run automatically
by many session managers.
The weirdest thing is not that it creates those directories, but that if
you ever log in using another language, it would rename them to their
localized names... Fortunately I think that is no longer the default.
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07-23-2012, 04:15 AM
gt
My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:39:35PM +0200, Nelson Marambio wrote:
> Am 22.07.2012 10:58, schrieb gt:
>
> >You can try aptosid, or linux mint debian edition.
> >
>
> Really Mint ? I switched FROM Mint TO Arch because upgrading Mint
> ended up in a re-installation of the whole system :-(
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 03:38:52PM -0700, David Benfell wrote:
> On 07/22/12 05:39, Nelson Marambio wrote:
> >
> > Really Mint ? I switched FROM Mint TO Arch because upgrading Mint
> > ended up in a re-installation of the whole system :-(
>
> Yes, dist-upgrade simply doesn't work anymore because Ubuntu, Mint,
> and I assume Debian are all making changes between releases that break
> the upgrades. That, too, is why I switched to Arch Linux.
Nelson, David
LMDE is not the usual mint. It is rolling release based on debian
testing, so no dist-upgrade stuff.
Frankly, I haven't tried it, but I don't think it will break stuff
anymore than arch does. All I have heard is praise about it, but I am
too engrossed in arch to give it a thought, yet.
07-23-2012, 04:53 AM
David Benfell
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On 07/22/12 21:15, gt wrote:
>
> LMDE is not the usual mint. It is rolling release based on debian
> testing, so no dist-upgrade stuff.
>
*That* could be very interesting, then.
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On 07/22/2012 04:02 PM, Nicholas MIller wrote:
> If we want it kiss for the End User
> we should leave the file as is
>
KISS for the community is key.
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07-23-2012, 07:36 AM
Nicolas Sebrecht
My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.
The 22/07/12, Heiko Baums wrote:
> That said, Gentoo always had separate config files located
> in /etc/conf.d. So the idea of not having one single rc.conf is not
> this new. Nevertheless one single /etc/rc.conf makes the administration
> a bit more comfortable, because you have all settings at a glance and
> don't need to cat or edit several files.
Sounds like you (don't take this a personal critism, you're not alone)
have poor administration practices. Editing multiple files instead of
one in not a problem at all. In fact, it's the exactly opposite.
The pain is the need to merge new changes while updating. Some tools
(like pacdiff) can help with the job but it's very frustrating to have
one configuration file and merge lot of changes in it. Especially when
it comes to cosmetic/comments changes.
Having one big configuration file means it's much easier to make
mistakes in it and have strong problems because of that. Dedicated
files to services/requirements make such problems more isolated. So,
we're going a better robustness, better expectations compliance for new
incoming users (and admins having more than one arch desktop to
maintain).
Who is manually editing each configuration one after the other need
lessons on administration tasks. If merging tools are not good enough,
then let's improve them. But please all, don't make a shoot on current
changes. What Tom is doing is exactly what most of ArchLinux users
expect. And the philosophy, KISS principle or whatever theory that you
think is good in Archlinux is not beeing broken at all.
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07-23-2012, 07:51 AM
Nicolas Sebrecht
My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.
The 22/07/12, Shridhar Daithankar wrote:
> <anecdote>
> I was on systemd once, about an year back.. just to find out first-hand, what
> the hoopla is all about. It worked, no fuss but nothing great over current
> initscripts for a typical developer workstation/desktop.
>
> However one fine day, an abrupt power-cut later, my home partition was no
> longer mountable under systemd. Initscripts worked fine. So I switched back..
> didn't miss a thing..
You're wrong. SysV init scripts _are_ broken, today. But it's silently
failing without even noticing it to users in many cases. Finding such
boot errors is painfull and time consuming.
My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.
