I did a complete upgrade following the instructions w.r.t.
the /lib symlink, and indeed ended up with pacman -Su saying
'nothing to do' and /lib being a symlink.
On rebooting I get the login prompt on tty1..6, but after
entering a login nothing happens (no passwd prompt) and
after a few seconds the screen is cleared and the login
prompt returns.
Any ideas ?
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
07-15-2012, 09:11 AM
Dave Morgan
login fails after update
On 15/07/12 at 08:35P, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I did a complete upgrade following the instructions w.r.t.
> the /lib symlink, and indeed ended up with pacman -Su saying
> 'nothing to do' and /lib being a symlink.
>
> On rebooting I get the login prompt on tty1..6, but after
> entering a login nothing happens (no passwd prompt) and
> after a few seconds the screen is cleared and the login
> prompt returns.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> --
> FA
>
> A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
> It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
> and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
>
Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log. It should
tell you what the problem is.
--
Dave.
07-15-2012, 08:40 PM
Fons Adriaensen
login fails after update
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:11:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote:
> Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log. It should
> tell you what the problem is.
Seemed some things were missing, one of them being login....
Which is *very strange* ...
Fortunately I could afford to just dump this system and do
a fresh netinstall - all OK now.
It was installed something like half a year ago and not used
at all before I tried the upgrade. So I really wonder if the
late 2011 install image followed by a pacman -Syu still works,
as far as I can tell it doesn't, and only a netinstall will.
Ciao,
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
07-16-2012, 03:42 AM
Dave Morgan
login fails after update
On 15/07/12 at 08:40pm, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:11:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote:
>
> > Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log. It should
> > tell you what the problem is.
>
> Seemed some things were missing, one of them being login....
> Which is *very strange* ...
> Fortunately I could afford to just dump this system and do
> a fresh netinstall - all OK now.
>
> It was installed something like half a year ago and not used
> at all before I tried the upgrade. So I really wonder if the
> late 2011 install image followed by a pacman -Syu still works,
> as far as I can tell it doesn't, and only a netinstall will.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> FA
>
> A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
> It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
> and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
>
The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade
was forced.
--
Dave.
07-16-2012, 10:17 AM
Fons Adriaensen
login fails after update
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote:
> The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade
> was forced.
No, it was not. As already said I followed the instructions
which clearly stated not to use --force.
Ciao,
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
07-16-2012, 10:20 AM
Tom Gundersen
login fails after update
On Jul 16, 2012 12:17 PM, "Fons Adriaensen" <fons@linuxaudio.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote:
>
>
> > The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade
> > was forced.
>
> No, it was not. As already said I followed the instructions
> which clearly stated not to use --force.
I have no idea how this happened, but reinstalling util-linux should fix it.
-t
07-16-2012, 11:02 AM
Fons Adriaensen
login fails after update
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:20:10PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Jul 16, 2012 12:17 PM, "Fons Adriaensen" <fons@linuxaudio.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote:
> >
> >
> > > The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade
> > > was forced.
> >
> > No, it was not. As already said I followed the instructions
> > which clearly stated not to use --force.
>
> I have no idea how this happened, but reinstalling util-linux should fix it.
I completely new netinstall fixed it :-).
Maybe the system was just too old, it was the only one not kept
up to date.
Since the latest core install image (about 11 months ago), there
have been several changes that required a manual intervention
during a routine update, the /lib thing is just the latest one.
Each of them was clearly announced and documented, and usually
involved upgrading some packages separately either before the
rest, or after it using --ignore first, and at least in one
case using --force was the recommended way to go. Each of these
upgrades worked well separately and were no big deal for anyone
using Arch for some time.
But imagine the situation of a new user who has just done a core
install, and is told to do -Syu after the first reboot, facing
all these manual steps together. I don't think you can expect
such a new user to do the right thing, if it is possible at all.
Which is not a good thing for Archlinux' name and fame. I suspect
we need new install images ASAP.
Ciao,
--
FA
A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
07-16-2012, 11:18 AM
Tom Gundersen
login fails after update
On Jul 16, 2012 1:02 PM, "Fons Adriaensen" <fons@linuxaudio.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:20:10PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> > On Jul 16, 2012 12:17 PM, "Fons Adriaensen" <fons@linuxaudio.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the
upgrade
> > > > was forced.
> > >
> > > No, it was not. As already said I followed the instructions
> > > which clearly stated not to use --force.
> >
> > I have no idea how this happened, but reinstalling util-linux should
fix it.
>
> I completely new netinstall fixed it :-).
>
> Maybe the system was just too old, it was the only one not kept
> up to date.
>
> Since the latest core install image (about 11 months ago), there
> have been several changes that required a manual intervention
> during a routine update, the /lib thing is just the latest one.
> Each of them was clearly announced and documented, and usually
> involved upgrading some packages separately either before the
> rest, or after it using --ignore first, and at least in one
> case using --force was the recommended way to go. Each of these
> upgrades worked well separately and were no big deal for anyone
> using Arch for some time.
>
> But imagine the situation of a new user who has just done a core
> install, and is told to do -Syu after the first reboot, facing
> all these manual steps together. I don't think you can expect
> such a new user to do the right thing, if it is possible at all.
> Which is not a good thing for Archlinux' name and fame. I suspect
> we need new install images ASAP.
I agree. We are currently in the final stages of testing a new iso. I'm
also advocating we drop the core instal as it is causing too many problems
in case it is outdated.
> Ciao,
>
> --
> FA
>
> A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
> It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
> and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
>
07-16-2012, 12:04 PM
Christoph Vigano
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> I agree. We are currently in the final stages of testing a new iso.
> I'm also advocating we drop the core instal as it is causing too
> many problems in case it is outdated.
This seems to be a step in the right direction, works smoothly for
other rolling release distributions (Gentoo and the likes).
The only thing that would kind of prevent the breakage would be the
quick release of a new iso. I do not know whether this is possible.
Greetings,
Christoph
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Christoph Vigano <mail@cvigano.de> wrote:
> The only thing that would kind of prevent the breakage would be the
> quick release of a new iso. I do not know whether this is possible.
We hope to have a new process in place so that very frequent iso
releases are possible. However, I think we still have the issue that
people will be using install media they downloaded some time ago and
expecting it (not unreasonably) to work well.
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