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Old 07-09-2012, 08:03 PM
Kevin Mihelich
 
Default Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:35 PM, David C. Rankin <
drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/09/2012 12:54 PM, Pierre Schmitz wrote:
>
>> Judging from a brief read of that paragraph I would even conclude that
>> they cannot really use our name and trademark directly as they changed
>> too much. :-)
>>
>> They chose to be completely independent from us which has up- and
>> downsides. And as lots of other derivatives thy implemented their own
>> tools and infrastructure.
>>
>
> My point wasn't to spear the site -- in a way, the more and different
> variations of Arch -- the better. The original thought that provoked the
> discussion was link to ARM forum thread that dealt exactly with the
> util-linux conflicts I see on my box. When I followed the link to
> http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/**viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467<http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467>I was presented with what looked like an Arch site but required a separate
> login/pass to post. (no big deal, just confusing). I just wanted to make
> sure that there were not 2 forums for different issues in Arch. (I couldn't
> see why there would be, but it was confusing enough to point it out)
>
> Thanks for the info and clarification Tom/Pierre, all. Learning occurred.
> Looks like the ARM folks have shadow issues to solve as well
>
>
> --
> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
>
>
>
Hi everyone. I'm the lead developer for Arch Linux ARM, and I just want to
jump in with a few clarifications to clear up any confusion. Regarding the
name, we didn't just decide to use it out of the blue. The distribution
was originally called PlugApps, and was designed to only run on plug
computers. Around March/April 2011, we contacted Aaron Griffin and got
explicit permission to rename our distribution to Arch Linux ARM since we
were rapidly expanding our focus from plug computers to a wide variety of
ARM platforms, and had also brought our packages and overall philosophy in
line with upstream.

Arch Linux ARM is a direct port of Arch Linux, not so much a derivative or
variation in my opinion. What happens upstream is matched exactly on our
side except where deviations, patches, or changes are needed to compile or
run on the ARM architectures we support. Upstream package updates are
processed daily, built, and distributed to our (comparably tiny) network of
mirrors. If you'd like more information on how I manage all of this I'd be
glad to oblige.

Our websites for the main page and the forum are markedly different from
the main Arch site and forum from my point of view. While it would of
course be nice to have a single sign-on or merged system, that's not what
we have nor what we sought. The other ports of Arch to other architectures
and the other derivatives have always remained separate entities, so we
followed suit in keeping ours separate. A lot of our issues are also very
different from what x86 users experience, since many originate from
hardware-, bootloader-, or kernel-specific quirks. If you really want all
that crap in your forum, we can talk further about that.

Regarding working closer with upstream, we have worked with a handful of
the developers and TUs on different things. Generally after they've
started using our distribution and discover some issue on a package they
maintain upstream. Whereas upstream has a brigade of folks to handle
packages, for us there is really just me so some things slip through the
cracks. I've also taken the time to introduce Dan McGee to how the
distribution operates internally, specifically in regard to the automated
build system I have in place.

I'd be more than happy to work with more developers from upstream, and I
just want to re-emphasize that we're in no way some rogue derivative flying
your flag. If anyone wants to get involved or learn more about what goes
on, feel free to contact me by email or on IRC.
 
Old 07-09-2012, 11:19 PM
Oon-Ee Ng
 
Default Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

On Jul 10, 2012 4:03 AM, "Kevin Mihelich" <kevin@archlinuxarm.org> wrote:
> I'd be more than happy to work with more developers from upstream, and I
> just want to re-emphasize that we're in no way some rogue derivative
flying
> your flag. If anyone wants to get involved or learn more about what goes
> on, feel free to contact me by email or on IRC.

I thought this would have been obvious from the outset, actually. Am
surprised how quickly trademark and "cease and desist" letters got
mentioned in a mailing list for an open source project...
 
Old 07-10-2012, 01:59 AM
Karol Blazewicz
 
Default Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Oon-Ee Ng <ngoonee.talk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 2012 4:03 AM, "Kevin Mihelich" <kevin@archlinuxarm.org> wrote:
>> I'd be more than happy to work with more developers from upstream, and I
>> just want to re-emphasize that we're in no way some rogue derivative
> flying
>> your flag. If anyone wants to get involved or learn more about what goes
>> on, feel free to contact me by email or on IRC.
>
> I thought this would have been obvious from the outset, actually. Am
> surprised how quickly trademark and "cease and desist" letters got
> mentioned in a mailing list for an open source project...

The link I posted refers to a site that's down atm
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=115643 and so are the links
to tinycore forums:
http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2011/03/tiny-core-fraud-on-source-forge.html
http://sourceforge.net/blog/another-lesson-learned-clear-communication-is-key



On topic: I don't see the point of creating unified forums but keeping
e.g. bugtrackers separate.
 

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