Don deJuan <donjuansjiz <at> gmail.com> writes:
> I do not see what I have mixed up, I never said anything about vesafb,
> only the VESA standard, also I have not talked about defining any modes,
> only another driver option to use instead of the proprietary.
>
> I think you're the one "mixing" up what we have written.

Nope, it's definitely you. I say Nvidia cards supports the vesa standard, and
you say "they never did" pointing to a forum post about *vesafb*. See you mix-up
now? You though that forum post is about vesa, but it's not, it's about vesafb.

On 06/27/2012 08:26 AM, Uroš Vampl wrote:

Don deJuan <donjuansjiz <at> gmail.com> writes:

I do not see what I have mixed up, I never said anything about vesafb,
only the VESA standard, also I have not talked about defining any modes,
only another driver option to use instead of the proprietary.

I think you're the one "mixing" up what we have written.


Nope, it's definitely you. I say Nvidia cards supports the vesa standard, and
you say "they never did" pointing to a forum post about *vesafb*. See you mix-up
now? You though that forum post is about vesa, but it's not, it's about vesafb.


lol ok

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On Jun 27, 2012 5:22 PM, "Don deJuan" <donjuansjiz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 06/27/2012 08:18 AM, Uroš Vampl wrote:
>>
>> Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Actually no Nvidia never supported VESA, it just happened to work.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561806&postcount=39
>>>>
>>> Are you so sure?
>>>
>>>
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/chapter-19.html
:
>>>
>>> First sentence: *The NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Graphics Driver supports
>>> all standard VGA and VESA modes*
>>
>>
>> Wow, you guys are now mixing up *three* things!
>>
>> Like I said, one thing is the vesa standard, and the other is a linux
driver
>> called vesafb. These are not one and the same! Now you've added a third
thing
>> into the mix - vesa modes. They are modes defined by the standard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I do not see what I have mixed up, I never said anything about vesafb,
only the VESA standard, also I have not talked about defining any modes,
only another driver option to use instead of the proprietary.
>
> I think you're the one "mixing" up what we have written.

I am the one who used the word "mode" when I wanted to talk about
Framebuffer. My words were not precise enough, as I fully understand what a
mode is.
I shall learn to be more precise.

Le 27 juin 2012 à 17:07 CEST, Arno Gaboury a écrit :
> So to sum up this thread, I am left with 3 options with a Nvidia card:
> -uninstall Nvidia driver and install Nouveau
> -run Nvidia in VGA mode with a low resolution console mode at boot
> (couldn't find any trick to het an higher resolution, and I tried
> alomost all I found)
> -stick with the VESA mode and this error message .
>
> Am I correct?

On my laptop, before switching to nouveau, I used uvesafb together with
the nvidia driver without any issue (1680x1050 console, yay!). You may
want to give it a try.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uvesafb

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On 06/27/2012 07:55 PM, Thomas Jost wrote:

Le 27 juin 2012 à 17:07 CEST, Arno Gaboury a écrit :

So to sum up this thread, I am left with 3 options with a Nvidia card:
-uninstall Nvidia driver and install Nouveau
-run Nvidia in VGA mode with a low resolution console mode at boot
(couldn't find any trick to het an higher resolution, and I tried
alomost all I found)
-stick with the VESA mode and this error message .

Am I correct?

On my laptop, before switching to nouveau, I used uvesafb together with
the nvidia driver without any issue (1680x1050 console, yay!). You may
want to give it a try.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uvesafb

Regards,
I was in fact going this way yesterady, when I finally gave up after
hours and hours of reading and testing.

I will give a try.

> No, it supports the vesa standard. All cards do. But that's completely different
> from vesafb, a linux driver.

Your right and you cleared up the confusion somewhbut that's a little
unfair. I believe all cards MUST support VESA. The vesafb driver isn't
supported directly but it uses the VESA standard as do many embedded
drivers so it is supported indirectly. They certainly don't support
running both but then on the 172 driver mentioned they don't support
the recent xorg servers new abi either.

If I was the OP I wouldn't waste time if there's is no problem beyond
a log from a closed source driver unless uvesafb offers benefits as
that won't be supported either as it's not Nvidia's code is it?


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On Jun 29, 2012 1:16 AM, "Kevin Chadwick" <ma1l1ists@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > No, it supports the vesa standard. All cards do. But that's completely
different
> > from vesafb, a linux driver.
>
> Your right and you cleared up the confusion somewhbut that's a little
> unfair. I believe all cards MUST support VESA. The vesafb driver isn't
> supported directly but it uses the VESA standard as do many embedded
> drivers so it is supported indirectly. They certainly don't support
> running both but then on the 172 driver mentioned they don't support
> the recent xorg servers new abi either.
>
> If I was the OP I wouldn't waste time if there's is no problem beyond
> a log from a closed source driver unless uvesafb offers benefits as
> that won't be supported either as it's not Nvidia's code is it?
>
I am the OP and I agree with your opinion, thus I decided to ignore the
Kernel error message. As there is NO decisive answer, neither an
universally recognized setup, this is the way I decided to run my X server
with my Nvidia graphic card and driver. My system MAY be instable thought,
but I endorse the risk.
Switching to Nouveau would be best indeed, but not at its current stage.
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> Why not do something good every day and install BOINC.
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On Jun 29, 2012 2:12 AM, "arnaud gaboury" <arnaud.gaboury@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Switching to Nouveau would be best indeed, but not at its current stage.

Why? Do you have problems running it? I [unfortunately] have several
systems with nvidia cards, of varying age/caliber, all running nouveau with
3D-ness enabled in X ... no significant issues for probably 1-2 yrs or so
(and just gave a successful presentation on vpython 3 days ago).

Not to suggest it's without issue, but its worth trying periodically.

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