> Maybe they have more 3d nouveau features enabled than default,
> but I doubt it, anyone know.

There's a second stage nouveau Xorg driver. It may be that? Anyone use
that and not have a delay switching to console?

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Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:

> After lots of reading, especially *Nvidia* official readme, it seems
> this card SUPPORTS indded *Vesafb*. So I think this error message has
> nothing to do here, and I will keep my *grub* file as it was first.

No, it supports the vesa standard. All cards do. But that's completely different
from vesafb, a linux driver. When you use vesafb and the nvidia driver together,
you effectively have two drivers poking at the card at the same time. That
problems can arise from that makes full sense.

You can keep using vesafb. After all, the message is just that - a message - and
not an error. It's just that if something breaks, you get to keep the pieces.

On 06/27/2012 04:11 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:

After lots of reading, especially *Nvidia* official readme, it seems
this card SUPPORTS indded *Vesafb*. So I think this error message has
nothing to do here, and I will keep my *grub* file as it was first.


Vesafb is a standard that all cards are meant to support since decades.
Running both full blown and vesafb at the same time may cause an issue,
I don't know. Nouveau is a kind of hybrid and closer to the
features of the nvidia driver but runs in KMS meaning you can close of
the dangerous I/O nvidia requires. Running nouveau and nvidia at the
same time certainly had issues in the past.


FWIW, the latest nVidia have broken my (and many others') suspend,
forcing me to vga=0 and very low console resolution. So
things are noticeably worse as of late.


*snip*
but I believe they are fixed now.
*snip*

In any case I wouldn't worry about it until you get corruption as you
already have a good resolution console and fast graphical desktop.

If you switch to the console a lot you may want nouveau on both as it
switches instantly but may slow down fullscreen flash. Atleast it
should switch instantly, some distros like fedora seem to have fscked
that up. Maybe they have more 3d nouveau features enabled than default,
but I doubt it, anyone know.



As I stated VESA is broken currently in Nvidia. Even IF your card is
supported like mine, VESA will be broken. Nvidia states they do not know
why it broke and how. Also they are not sure how to get it working
again. You can find all the info in other threads and on the nvidia
website. There is no fix, only workarounds.

On 06/27/2012 06:55 AM, Uroš Vampl wrote:

Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:


After lots of reading, especially *Nvidia* official readme, it seems
this card SUPPORTS indded *Vesafb*. So I think this error message has
nothing to do here, and I will keep my *grub* file as it was first.


No, it supports the vesa standard. All cards do. But that's completely different
from vesafb, a linux driver. When you use vesafb and the nvidia driver together,
you effectively have two drivers poking at the card at the same time. That
problems can arise from that makes full sense.

You can keep using vesafb. After all, the message is just that - a message - and
not an error. It's just that if something breaks, you get to keep the pieces.



Actually no Nvidia never supported VESA, it just happened to work.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561806&postcount=39

On 06/27/2012 04:18 PM, Don deJuan wrote:

On 06/27/2012 06:55 AM, Uroš Vampl wrote:

Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:


After lots of reading, especially *Nvidia* official readme, it seems
this card SUPPORTS indded *Vesafb*. So I think this error message has
nothing to do here, and I will keep my *grub* file as it was first.


No, it supports the vesa standard. All cards do. But that's
completely different
from vesafb, a linux driver. When you use vesafb and the nvidia
driver together,
you effectively have two drivers poking at the card at the same time.
That

problems can arise from that makes full sense.

You can keep using vesafb. After all, the message is just that - a
message - and
not an error. It's just that if something breaks, you get to keep the
pieces.




Actually no Nvidia never supported VESA, it just happened to work.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561806&postcount=39


Are you so sure?

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/chapter-19.html:

First sentence: *The NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Graphics Driver supports
all standard VGA and VESA modes*

On 06/27/2012 07:42 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:

On 06/27/2012 04:18 PM, Don deJuan wrote:

On 06/27/2012 06:55 AM, Uroš Vampl wrote:

Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:


After lots of reading, especially *Nvidia* official readme, it seems
this card SUPPORTS indded *Vesafb*. So I think this error message has
nothing to do here, and I will keep my *grub* file as it was first.


No, it supports the vesa standard. All cards do. But that's
completely different
from vesafb, a linux driver. When you use vesafb and the nvidia
driver together,
you effectively have two drivers poking at the card at the same time.
That
problems can arise from that makes full sense.

You can keep using vesafb. After all, the message is just that - a
message - and
not an error. It's just that if something breaks, you get to keep the
pieces.



Actually no Nvidia never supported VESA, it just happened to work.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561806&postcount=39


Are you so sure?

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/chapter-19.html:


First sentence: *The NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Graphics Driver supports
all standard VGA and VESA modes*
Well the link I sent was from an Nvidia employee posting about these
issues, so yes I am sure. Also why are you pointing to a readme for the
legacy version?


It has been stated by Nvidia themselves in other places as well, that
VESA just "happened" to work, was not "officially" supported. So take
that as you will, but from what I have read and heard from Nvidia this
is the case, even googling reveals the same information going all the
way back to around 2003. But no point in arguing the semantics about
this, I feel the information I found and gotten from Nvidia directly is
more than sufficient, your choice if you want to listen to me and other
Nvidia employees posting on this issue. You can easily get the same info
regardless of what their README states. Or if you have any buddies in
the Linux department at nvidia, shoot them an email and you will get the
same response from them, it just happened to work.

On 06/27/2012 05:00 PM, Don deJuan wrote:

On 06/27/2012 07:42 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:

On 06/27/2012 04:18 PM, Don deJuan wrote:

On 06/27/2012 06:55 AM, Uroš Vampl wrote:

Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:


After lots of reading, especially *Nvidia* official readme, it seems
this card SUPPORTS indded *Vesafb*. So I think this error message has
nothing to do here, and I will keep my *grub* file as it was first.


No, it supports the vesa standard. All cards do. But that's
completely different
from vesafb, a linux driver. When you use vesafb and the nvidia
driver together,
you effectively have two drivers poking at the card at the same time.
That
problems can arise from that makes full sense.

You can keep using vesafb. After all, the message is just that - a
message - and
not an error. It's just that if something breaks, you get to keep the
pieces.



Actually no Nvidia never supported VESA, it just happened to work.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561806&postcount=39


Are you so sure?

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/chapter-19.html:




First sentence: *The NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Graphics Driver supports
all standard VGA and VESA modes*
Well the link I sent was from an Nvidia employee posting about these
issues, so yes I am sure. Also why are you pointing to a readme for
the legacy version?


It has been stated by Nvidia themselves in other places as well, that
VESA just "happened" to work, was not "officially" supported. So take
that as you will, but from what I have read and heard from Nvidia this
is the case, even googling reveals the same information going all the
way back to around 2003. But no point in arguing the semantics about
this, I feel the information I found and gotten from Nvidia directly
is more than sufficient, your choice if you want to listen to me and
other Nvidia employees posting on this issue. You can easily get the
same info regardless of what their README states. Or if you have any
buddies in the Linux department at nvidia, shoot them an email and you
will get the same response from them, it just happened to work.





So to sum up this thread, I am left with 3 options with a Nvidia card:
-uninstall Nvidia driver and install Nouveau
-run Nvidia in VGA mode with a low resolution console mode at boot
(couldn't find any trick to het an higher resolution, and I tried
alomost all I found)

-stick with the VESA mode and this error message .

Am I correct?

On 06/27/2012 08:07 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:

On 06/27/2012 05:00 PM, Don deJuan wrote:

On 06/27/2012 07:42 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:

On 06/27/2012 04:18 PM, Don deJuan wrote:

On 06/27/2012 06:55 AM, Uroš Vampl wrote:

Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:


After lots of reading, especially *Nvidia* official readme, it seems
this card SUPPORTS indded *Vesafb*. So I think this error message has
nothing to do here, and I will keep my *grub* file as it was first.


No, it supports the vesa standard. All cards do. But that's
completely different
from vesafb, a linux driver. When you use vesafb and the nvidia
driver together,
you effectively have two drivers poking at the card at the same time.
That
problems can arise from that makes full sense.

You can keep using vesafb. After all, the message is just that - a
message - and
not an error. It's just that if something breaks, you get to keep the
pieces.



Actually no Nvidia never supported VESA, it just happened to work.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561806&postcount=39


Are you so sure?

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/chapter-19.html:



First sentence: *The NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Graphics Driver supports
all standard VGA and VESA modes*

Well the link I sent was from an Nvidia employee posting about these
issues, so yes I am sure. Also why are you pointing to a readme for
the legacy version?

It has been stated by Nvidia themselves in other places as well, that
VESA just "happened" to work, was not "officially" supported. So take
that as you will, but from what I have read and heard from Nvidia this
is the case, even googling reveals the same information going all the
way back to around 2003. But no point in arguing the semantics about
this, I feel the information I found and gotten from Nvidia directly
is more than sufficient, your choice if you want to listen to me and
other Nvidia employees posting on this issue. You can easily get the
same info regardless of what their README states. Or if you have any
buddies in the Linux department at nvidia, shoot them an email and you
will get the same response from them, it just happened to work.




So to sum up this thread, I am left with 3 options with a Nvidia card:
-uninstall Nvidia driver and install Nouveau
-run Nvidia in VGA mode with a low resolution console mode at boot
(couldn't find any trick to het an higher resolution, and I tried
alomost all I found)
-stick with the VESA mode and this error message .

Am I correct?


You could also use the xf86-video-nv driver, but yes those are my
understandings of this issue as well.

Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>
> > Actually no Nvidia never supported VESA, it just happened to work.
> >
> > http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561806&postcount=39
> >
> Are you so sure?
>
> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/chapter-19.html:
>
> First sentence: *The NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Graphics Driver supports
> all standard VGA and VESA modes*

Wow, you guys are now mixing up *three* things!

Like I said, one thing is the vesa standard, and the other is a linux driver
called vesafb. These are not one and the same! Now you've added a third thing
into the mix - vesa modes. They are modes defined by the standard.

On 06/27/2012 08:18 AM, Uroš Vampl wrote:

Arno Gaboury <arnaud.gaboury <at> gmail.com> writes:




Actually no Nvidia never supported VESA, it just happened to work.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2561806&postcount=39


Are you so sure?

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/chapter-19.html:

First sentence: *The NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Graphics Driver supports
all standard VGA and VESA modes*


Wow, you guys are now mixing up *three* things!

Like I said, one thing is the vesa standard, and the other is a linux driver
called vesafb. These are not one and the same! Now you've added a third thing
into the mix - vesa modes. They are modes defined by the standard.




I do not see what I have mixed up, I never said anything about vesafb,
only the VESA standard, also I have not talked about defining any modes,
only another driver option to use instead of the proprietary.


I think you're the one "mixing" up what we have written.