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Don deJuan 06-25-2012 10:02 PM

INSANELY OT: and nothing to do with the Campaign against Secure Boot
 
On 06/25/2012 02:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 14:12 -0700, Don deJuan wrote:

On 06/25/2012 01:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 22:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 21:44 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

On 25/06/12 21:18, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 21:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 20:59 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 20:37 +0200, Arno Gaboury wrote:

Once upon a time, I had a dream OSX would leed to some kind of "semi
open" OS, with lots of dev improvments from the community.

PPPffff, it was long time ago, and was really naive.


Hahaha, when I searched for a successor for my Atari St, my first guess
was Apple. It's not naive, since hardware is important, reliable
hardware is important, unfortunately my moneybag ships with some
limitations ;). I had the same dream. I won an iPad2 and can't use it,
since Vbox + oracle-ext + XP SP2 can't handle it. No jailbreak until
now, but I downloaded Absinth a long time ago, I simply wished to test a
"legal" iPad for a while. My iPad2 is unable to get iBooks, so every
elCheapo Ebookreader has more abilities than my iPad 2, just because I'm
using Linux. It's not a fault of Linux, it's spirit of mischief by
companies like M$ and Apfel.


PS: Do you know that there's a Apple community for old Apple OSs, I
guess before Apple switched to Intel? Even "gifted" Apple users don>'t

^^^^^ at least (broken English,
apologize)

follow the policy of Apple per se.





Could you guys keep it either ontopic and stop ranting about Microsoft
or Apple/OSX:
a) it doesn't help
b) it's a waste of your time, in that time you could have done something
usefull like contributing to an opensource project so that there are
better alternatives ;)



Pardon.

We, at least I shouldn't waste the time of other people.

No excuse for writing useless stuff, you're right, OTOH is it really
time, that could be used for something better?

Some people take "things" more or less serious.
We are on a software mailing list ... software is a joke regarding to
other simple issues such as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_skinhead
You might call it polemic and OT for this list. Ok, you might be right,
where is the border? UEFI also is far away from the unconvincable
Neo-Nazis ... well everything so far is good, so there's no reason to be
polemic and in the end we'll chime in "we were not aware about it".
Yes, lets be quiet, sorry again,
Ralf


And yes, I'm a German, half of my grandparents would agree with you, the
other half was killed in WWII, because they made too much noise. I've a
criminal record for absence of the German armed forces.

In German we say "wehret den Anfängen".
Yes, I might be polemic, it might be completely useless, but do we know?

UEFI dosen't kill people, so I must be a polemic German idiot. Any
hints, when freedom really is attached and when we should talk about it
are welcome.

Oh, nobody today can get a criminal record for what I've done, the law
changed a little bit, because idiots like me where haunted and today
everybody has got a choice.

Note! Evil companies aren't stupid, they know how far they can go, IOW,
they take care that many people guess that criticism could be confused
with grotesque paranoia or too much noise on a mailing list.

I might be wrong, but you might be wrong too,
Ralf


WOW!!! I am an America/German Jew myself (1st generation here) and have
to say you're blending so many things unrelated with mediocre issues.
Secure Boot & MS & Apple DO NOT equal Hitler killing Jews!!!


I agree and I didn't claim something nearly similar to that.


So why not just stick to Arch Linux topics and how they directly relate
to actual issues at hand, or how secure boot would/will effect Arch.
Endless rants of evil this is just like evil that, makes you sound as
nutty as Hitler was.

I honestly do not care if you are right or I am, but these ramblings are
moot to the point the OP sent to the list. To me personally you have
gone past the point of OT, way way past it.

I think everyone who cares about this IS aware of it and if they feel
there is truly something to worry about then actually put action to the
rambles you post, such as following the link. Please keep Hitler out of
these talks, to me it is moronic, not polemic, or you just like stirring
the shit pot to see what floats.


So where is the border of/fore (sorry, my English is broken) freedom
today? I got a criminal record in the 80's just because I said NO, I
WON'T KILL PEOPLE, today everybody is allowed to have this opinion in
Germany. Not because people were quiet, but because people like me joint
prison records, for not be willing to harm anybody.

Civil courage might make some people look like idiots, I don't care.

So without being polemic, where's the border, when we should be loud?
As an American Jew, please don't visit Eastern Germany. It's not welcome
in Germany to talk about it, but I still prefer that people don't be
killed by idiots.

I don't care if somebody is a Neo-Nazi or just a ruthless
politician/firm owner, since it doesn't mean a difference. Gay Nazis
killed other gays etc., please focus what was and today is the interest
oft people like Bill Gates.

There can't be too much noise. If I'm mistaken, resp. there might be an
overdose of output, use your spam filter, don't ban words.

2 Cents,
Ralf



The border is the rules of the board you're posting to. If you don't
like them, start your own board. But again this is an Arch board and
your points and rambles do nothing to solve, help or further educate
people about Secure Boot, let alone Arch Linux. That is all my point is,
fight any fight you want, but seriously your points do not help and have
nothing to do with the points here. If you want to fight and be vocal
about choices and freedoms and what ever other issues you personally
face due to choices YOU made in your life then do it, but do not spread
the noise to a board that has nothing to do with what you state.


You can be loud anywhere but if you are just loud to be loud, you're no
better than the boy who cried wolf. You will loose those who listen to
your words very quickly, if it just loud to be loud.


There are boards and forums for sharing the thoughts you have, why not
put them into an area where others might actually care to hear them.
Your rambles have nothing to with the topic, different views or not.
Your on a anti MS & Apple rant, stop the "evil empires" kick. I do not
run from new or differing ideas, but you are neither sharing something
new, insightful nor even relating to what these boards are about and
what this thread was started for.


Why would I ban/put you in spam, for not agreeing, that would go against
me learning new things from others ideals and processes. Maybe we should
throw in Zuckerberg into this as well, since he is the newest in the
"evil empire". Personally I have never been offended or anything by
anything you have ever said, this is not doing that, it is just
pointless fodder to ones beliefs of who/what/when/where is "evil".


My 2c

Enjoy the rest of your night Ralf

Ralf Mardorf 06-25-2012 10:19 PM

INSANELY OT: and nothing to do with the Campaign against Secure Boot
 
> The border is the rules of the board you're posting to. If you don't
> like them, start your own board. But again this is an Arch board and
> your points and rambles do nothing to solve, help or further educate
> people about Secure Boot, let alone Arch Linux. That is all my point is,
> fight any fight you want, but seriously your points do not help and have
> nothing to do with the points here. If you want to fight and be vocal
> about choices and freedoms and what ever other issues you personally
> face due to choices YOU made in your life then do it, but do not spread
> the noise to a board that has nothing to do with what you state.

So far I understand you. Again, Apologize, I'm just a human.
Dunno, if I agree or don't agree with the rest of your mail, I'll
continue reading later. I can't do it now.

I hope I'm not self-opinionated :S.

Ralf Mardorf 06-26-2012 03:05 PM

INSANELY OT: and nothing to do with the Campaign against Secure Boot
 
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 15:02 -0700, Don deJuan wrote:
> The border is the rules of the board you're posting to. If you don't
> like them, start your own board. But again this is an Arch board and
> your points and rambles do nothing to solve, help or further educate
> people about Secure Boot, let alone Arch Linux. That is all my point is,
> fight any fight you want, but seriously your points do not help and have
> nothing to do with the points here. If you want to fight and be vocal
> about choices and freedoms and what ever other issues you personally
> face due to choices YOU made in your life then do it, but do not spread
> the noise to a board that has nothing to do with what you state.
>
> You can be loud anywhere but if you are just loud to be loud, you're no
> better than the boy who cried wolf. You will loose those who listen to
> your words very quickly, if it just loud to be loud.
>
> There are boards and forums for sharing the thoughts you have, why not
> put them into an area where others might actually care to hear them.
> Your rambles have nothing to with the topic, different views or not.
> Your on a anti MS & Apple rant, stop the "evil empires" kick. I do not
> run from new or differing ideas, but you are neither sharing something
> new, insightful nor even relating to what these boards are about and
> what this thread was started for.
>
> Why would I ban/put you in spam, for not agreeing, that would go against
> me learning new things from others ideals and processes. Maybe we should
> throw in Zuckerberg into this as well, since he is the newest in the
> "evil empire". Personally I have never been offended or anything by
> anything you have ever said, this is not doing that, it is just
> pointless fodder to ones beliefs of who/what/when/where is "evil".
>
> My 2c
>
> Enjoy the rest of your night Ralf

I'm ashamed. Sorry again. It's pure nonsense I've written, even today in
the morning I wasn't able to stop myself.
I'll apologize to the list and Mr. Godwin.
Fortunately the discussion didn't stop, others from the list still add
some useful comments and information :).

Regards,
Ralf


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