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Old 09-15-2010, 08:19 AM
"Joe(theWordy)Philbrook"
 
Default community/e-svn 51937-1 BROKEN? themes fail screen resolution fail etc...

I just did a "pacman -Syu" And unfortunately I let it upgrade e17.
according to "pacman -Ss enlightenment" I now have:
community/e-svn 51937-1 (e17-svn) [installed]

e17 no longer cooperates with personal themes
I can select them, it remembers which theme is selected. But none of them
have any effect on the appearance which is locked in on the default theme
which is so dark that I can't even read the clock gadget And unlike my
chosen theme there is no visible indication of which "button" will
effectively be pushed if I press enter. (I'm a keyboard man mostly because
I can use the keyboard for hours and hours, but 5 minutes of wrestling with
the mouse is enough to cause my hands to start going numb...) So I NEED a
theme that highlights the button currently in focus to use e17 effectively.

It will let me change the screen resolution to one where I can read text
without a microscope, But once I do I'm unable to logout cleanly.
(It locks up and fails to save the configuration changes) While it's so
locked up I can use <ctrl>+<alt>+<F2> to switch to another tty where I
can log in and do a "ps -a" to see enlightenment is "running" But it
doesn't respond to "killall enlightenment"... (Since I'm a startx user I can
switch to tty1 {where I ran startx} and kill the X server with <ctrl>+C)

I'm not really surprised (since it isn't listening to the theme) that my
gadget and shelf settings were forgotten. It did let me put them back.
(even if the clock is now useless) But at each and every change it
presented me with an error that there could be only one system tray???
What that had to do with putting the sound mixer gadget back on the
shelf I don't have a clue...

If it matters I'm using an HP Pavilion a1410n with Amd 64 Athlon processors
And an integrated Nvidia GeForce 6150 LE which didn't like the open source
nouveau driver at all. So I'm using a pacman supplied proprietary Nvidia
driver.

I'm just glad that I've also got e16 installed or I'd really be crying in
my beer. I don't suppose it's possible to roll back to the previous version
of e17?

Is anybody else having a problem with community/e-svn 51937-1 (e17-svn)?
Or is it just me? Any suggestions would be welcome... But I already tried
moving my ~/.e directory and letting e17 start with a fresh user profile.
But it still wouldn't let me save my changes if they included screen
resolution changes.

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Old 09-15-2010, 08:42 AM
Christoph Rissner
 
Default community/e-svn 51937-1 BROKEN? themes fail screen resolution fail etc...

On 09/15/2010 10:19 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

community/e-svn 51937-1 (e17-svn) [installed]


I'm also running that version (but on i686), without any problems.
I'm using the default theme (is it "Black & White"?), mostly because I
think its acceptable and the Theme Selector doesn't show any
alternatives :-). Is this thing working?


I remember having an "unreadable font" problem when I first installed
e17 and just digged out my list of font pkgs I had to install to get
this fixed. IIRC e17 relies on some external fonts, but the PKGBUILD
doesn't set the dependencies, but maybe thats fixed by now.


artwiz-fonts
fontsproto
gsfonts
sdl_ttf
t1lib
ttf-dejavu
ttf-ms-fonts
xorg-fonts-100dpi
xorg-fonts-75dpi
xorg-fonts-alias
xorg-fonts-encodings
xorg-fonts-misc

I guess this was an overkill (a pacman -Qs fonts from a machine with
working e17), but hey, it works.


Have you tried to change your profile (Settings Panel/Settings/Profile)?

Bye
Christoph
 
Old 09-16-2010, 01:35 AM
"Joe(theWordy)Philbrook"
 
Default community/e-svn 51937-1 BROKEN? themes fail screen resolution fail etc...

It would appear that on Sep 15, Christoph Rissner did say:

> On 09/15/2010 10:19 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > community/e-svn 51937-1 (e17-svn) [installed]
>
> I'm also running that version (but on i686), without any problems.
> I'm using the default theme (is it "Black & White"?), mostly because I think
> its acceptable and the Theme Selector doesn't show any alternatives :-). Is
> this thing working?

Well If I didn't want to change the theme and screen resolution I'd not
have found anything sufficiently wrong with it. Except for that odd
error message I got whenever I added/removed a gadget to/from the desktop
or shelf. Which since it did let me make those changes, I wouldn't have
bothered to mention...

> I remember having an "unreadable font" problem when I first installed e17 and
> just digged out my list of font pkgs I had to install to get this fixed. IIRC
> e17 relies on some external fonts, but the PKGBUILD doesn't set the
> dependencies, but maybe thats fixed by now.

Actually my fonts are ok. It's just that I have a high resolution graphics
card/monitor combination and the default is to start at the highest possible
resolution. which in this case is 1280x1024 which with my poor eyesight
means I can't hardly read anything less than 18 point type without my reading
glasses. And if I wear the glasses while looking at the screen my eyes
start to water in less than a minute...

All I need to do is to get the screen resolution set to 1024x768 and
everything comes in to focus. If the Rasterman liked to bother with a
visual indicator of which button the tab key had aimed the enter key at
I'd just resign myself to doing a menu->settings->panel->screen->resolution
to select 1074x768 every time I login. I mean I can always open an xclock
whenever I want a time display.

> Have you tried to change your profile (Settings Panel/Settings/Profile)?

I suppose I could try the illume profile... Next time I boot Arch I'll try
it...

Thanks for the suggestion.

It would appear that on Sep 15, Nicky726 did say:

> Dne St 15. zář* 2010 11:08:10 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook napsal(a):
> > ...
> > Is anybody else having a problem with community/e-svn 51937-1 (e17-svn)?
> > Or is it just me? Any suggestions would be welcome... But I already tried
> > moving my ~/.e directory and letting e17 start with a fresh user profile.
> > But it still wouldn't let me save my changes if they included screen
> > resolution changes.
> > ...
>
> Hello, Joe,
>
> I also noticed problems with the new release of E17 at my 32bit Arch. It
> seems, that there was some change upstream that broke compatibility with
> older themes/backgrounds/icons, so that they are listed in selections
> dialogs, but are not loaded. Rebuilding the e17-backgrounds, e17-icons
> and e17-themes packages from the AUR partially solves the problem, as
> more themes/backgrounds/icons can now be loaded, some still remains
> broken though. I've also seen the resolution being reset to default,
> but in my case the switch to desired one was flawless and logout
> succeeded (OSS ati drivers).
>
> Hope, this will be of some help,

Actually though I hadn't thought my themes were that old. True, some of
them were based on the style of some older themes but they were rewritten...

None of these are work anymore on my Arch installation:

:r!ls ~/.e/e/themes
blingbling.edj
eChrono-0.5.edj
GreenTheme.edj
Kandy.edj
trekpad17.edj
Vulcan_Moonlight_0_6_4_by_Ndjee.edj
Vulcan_Retro_0_6_4_by_Ndjee.edj
Vulcan_Retro_Blue_0_6_4_by_Ndjee.edj
wendy17.edj

It's those "Vulcan" themes that give me the best combo of, "highly visible"
indications of active buttons and menu choices. (Which matters because I
navigate menus with my arrow keys NOT the durned rodent.) I suppose I'll
have to try the AUR themes. Maybe one of them will work for me.

Incidentally, Logout only fails if I alter my screen resolution. (At least
so far...) I suppose that part could have something to do with the Nvidia
upgrade that accompanied the Enlightenment upgrade... I'll have to see if
XFCE can still set the resolution to 1024x768 And save it's settings for
next time...

There is a possibility that I could take a page from the workaround I did
for E16 which being more WM than DE doesn't have a native screen resolution
setting tool, and put "xrandr -s 3" in the file that gets copied to
~/.xinitrc when I select e16 from my startx wrapper script. But since E17
DOES have an internal control for screen resolution, I expect that it will
simply reset it back to it's default 1024x768 setting upon startup. <sigh>

I'll followup to this thread if one of AUR's themes works for me.
-or-
if e17 respects "xrandr" resolution settings...

Thanks guys for info & suggestions.

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Old 09-16-2010, 05:21 AM
"Joe(theWordy)Philbrook"
 
Default community/e-svn 51937-1 BROKEN? themes fail screen resolution fail etc...

Well I found out that e17 is responding to an xrandr command in the
~/.xinitrc upon startx... So I don't need to use e17's native screen
resolution utility... Thus I can get my 1024x768 screen resolution in an
automatic fashion that still lets me log out cleanly...

I also installed those AUR e17-themes and "SOME" of them worked. (more or
less) Though with most of them, Once I apply them, I can no longer
initialize the theme switching tool without a crash. But fortunately I had
the forethought to backup the "bad" ~/.e directory which did at least let me
make some changes, including using the theme switcher... mc made it easy to
copy it back in between e17 test runs. And I found a few themes that do
make it easy to see which button has the keyboards focus. Kind of like
blingbling does only without having to squint to spot the outline.

Two of the best at that are dali41b and japan2007, The latter being more
aesthetically pleasing, and I think slightly more stable at letting me make
more changes without crashing. But it's clock gadget is not for me. And
while it's shape is a little twisted, I CAN read the formers clock.

I find that I can add gadgets to the shelf, But if I try to add one to the
desktop it crashes. (Fortunately the ones I care about are already there)

So while it still isn't quite right, and I still can't use my preferred
themes, at least two of the AUR themes are acceptable. And the xrandr
workaround works well enough so that I'll manage until the next upgrade
anyway...

Thanks again for all the helpful suggestions

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Old 09-16-2010, 05:32 AM
"David C. Rankin"
 
Default community/e-svn 51937-1 BROKEN? themes fail screen resolution fail etc...

On 09/16/2010 12:21 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:


I also installed those AUR e17-themes and "SOME" of them worked. (more or
less) Though with most of them, Once I apply them, I can no longer
initialize the theme switching tool without a crash. But fortunately I had
the forethought to backup the "bad" ~/.e directory which did at least let me
make some changes, including using the theme switcher... mc made it easy to
copy it back in between e17 test runs. And I found a few themes that do
make it easy to see which button has the keyboards focus. Kind of like
blingbling does only without having to squint to spot the outline.

Two of the best at that are dali41b and japan2007, The latter being more
aesthetically pleasing, and I think slightly more stable at letting me make
more changes without crashing. But it's clock gadget is not for me. And
while it's shape is a little twisted, I CAN read the formers clock.



Since you seem to like e17 themes, don't forget to check:

http://verdegal37.deviantart.com/gallery/

Agust does most of the themes for e17-stuff.org

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Old 09-16-2010, 07:27 PM
"Joe(theWordy)Philbrook"
 
Default community/e-svn 51937-1 BROKEN? themes fail screen resolution fail etc...

It would appear that on Sep 16, David C. Rankin did say:

>
> Since you seem to like e17 themes, don't forget to check:
>
> http://verdegal37.deviantart.com/gallery/
>
> Agust does most of the themes for e17-stuff.org

Well it's not so much that I "LIKE" themes, as that I strongly dislike the
default theme (especially dark buttons that don't indicate which one the
keyboard is pointing at. I can't blame the Rasterman for not wanting to
spend the time to make keyboard navigation easier, he LIKES using the
mouse, and he does an awful lot of work on the things he wants to do.

But as long as I'm going to need to use themes to accomplish that
I might as well find some that I like the panels, menus and pop-ups from.
The main graphic don't matter as I use my own specific background images
for each of my 12 task specific desktop areas...
A glance at the background tells me if I'm in the right workspace...

But more themes to pick over are always welcome. So thanks

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Old 09-18-2010, 05:47 AM
"Joe(theWordy)Philbrook"
 
Default community/e-svn 51937-1 BROKEN? themes fail screen resolution fail etc...

It would appear that on Sep 16, Nicky726 did say:

> Dne Čt 16. zář* 2010 06:27:23 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook napsal(a):
---<<snip>>---
> >
> > I'll followup to this thread if one of AUR's themes works for me.
> > -or-
> > if e17 respects "xrandr" resolution settings...

I did followup with the info that some of the AUR themes worked for me and
that E17 was respecting the xrandr command...
>
> This reminds me I did change screen resolution via an autorun script on E17
> some time ago (when E17's resolution control showed only the default screen
> resolution).
>
> I can't find the script now, but simply running "xrandr -s 1024x768" from
> terminal inside od E17 changes the resolution correctly. Running just "xrandr"
> should give you the list of supported resolution, if the desired one is not
> listed you have to add a modeline. When you have the correct xrandr call(s)
> tested, you can automate it by creating say change-resolution.sh (should go in
> your PATH I think):
> #!/bin/sh
> xrandr -s ...
>
> which you then set up to autorun in control center -- aplications --
> aplication on start (hope I translated it correctly from my localization).

Thanks! And your right "xrandr -s 1024x768" is the correct command to set
a "1024x768" screen resolution. But when I ran "xrandr" with no argument I
found that it was the forth listed resolution thus since the alternative
form "xrandr -s <index>" starts with zero, I saved myself 7 keystrokes when
I originally added the command:
xrandr -s 3
to my xinitrc-e16 files that get copied to ~/.xinitrc when I choose e16
on one of my installed linux distros...

I went with the .xinitrc method because when I used xrandr from inside an
already running e16 it worked except that the borders of any window I opened
cheerfully started or ended (or both) outside the new desktop area. By
running xrandr inside the .xinitrc it took effect just before e16 started,
and so new windows were by default sized and positioned inside the desktop
area.

Now it's fairly likely that by setting a script up in what in my e17's
localization is "menu->settings->settings panel->apps->startup applications"
would accomplish the same thing. But since I use startx rather then some
display manager to initialize X I'm used to the ~/.xinitrc method.

But I thank you for the clue. It could happen that the linux developers
might do something to make the use of display managers mandatory, then
I'd have to try the autorun script method. Heck, Ubuntu kinda sorta have
done so already. In order to get a runlevel 3 startup with my *xubuntu
(*without having to wade through some gui, pop-up error menus) I had to
install a simplistic display manager (slim) which unlike gdm & kdm still
respected the debian method of:

=> update-rc.d -f foobar remove
=> update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 .

If the rest of the linux distros (and available display managers) follow
ubuntu's (and gdm's) example I might have to give up on startx. Till then,
for me, it's the only wayto go...

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