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Old 11-21-2009, 11:05 AM
Default tzdata 2009s-1

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Andreas Radke <a.radke@arcor.de> wrote:
> new upstream release. please signoff.
> -Andy
> The file...
> * * * *ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2009s.tar.gz
> ...is now available; this reflects the (cosmetic) Antarctica change and the DST-in-Fiji-in-2009-and-2010 change circulated on the time zone mailing list last week.
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *--ado
> The files...
> * * * *ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzcode2009r.tar.gz
> ...and...
> * * * *ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2009r.tar.gz
> ...are now available; these reflect the "antarctica" and "tz-link.htm" changes circulated last week on the time zone mailing list.
> I plan to begin work on Xinjiang this Wednesday.
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *--ado

Hmm I was still waking up and did not have enough coffee.
I thought it was Andy that said : "I plan to begin work on Xinjiang
this Wednesday." , and was like "whhaaat?"
I either did not see "ado" signature or that ado != andy

Also I am still wondering what "working on Xinjiang" mean. I thought
Xinjiang could also be a software project. But apparently not.
So I guess he just meant "in" instead of "on"
Old 11-21-2009, 11:33 AM
Andreas Radke
Default tzdata 2009s-1

no, he means working "on"...

FYI: this is the original user mail from the timezone ml:

I am new to the list but would like to make a proposal for Xinjiang

I have looked through previous posts about Xinjiang and would agree
with the paradoxical statements that:

1. All of China is on one time zone, (Zhe Su Jun 26, 2006) and

2. Xinjiang has another, governmentally recognized time zone. (Thomas
S. Mullaney Feb 12, 2008)

Almost all (>99.9%) ethnic Chinese (properly ethnic Han) living in
Xinjiang use Chinese Standard Time. Some are aware of Xinjiang time,
but have no need of it. All planes, trains, and schools function on
what is called "Beijing time". When Han make an appointment in Chinese
they implicitly use Beijing time.

On the other hand, ethnic Uyghurs, who make up about half the
population of Xinjiang, typically use "Xinjiang time" which is two
hours behind Beijing time, or UTC +0600. The government of the
Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, (XAUR, or just Xinjiang for short)
as well as local governments such as the Urumqi city government use
both times in publications, referring to what is popularly called
Xinjiang time as "Urumqi time". When Uyghurs make an appointment in
the Uyghur language they almost invariably use Xinjiang time.

(Their ethnic Han compatriots would typically have no clue of its
widespread use, however, because so extremely few of them are fluent
in Uyghur, comparable to the number of Anglo-Americans fluent in

Because there presently is no time localization for a large Uyghur
population who set their watches to Xinjiang time, I propose that the
last line of the "Asia/Urumqi" and "Asia/Kashgar" entries be changed
so that the entries read:

Zone Asia/Urumqi 5:50:20 - LMT 1928
# or Urumchi 6:00 - URUT 1980 May # Urumqi Time
6:00 - XJT
#Xinjiang Time


Zone Asia/Kashgar 5:03:56 - LMT 1928
# or Kashi or Kaxgar 5:30 - KAST 1940 #
Kashgar Time 5:00 - KAST 1980 May
6:00 - XJT
#Xinjiang Time

(I did not include the PRC rule. As with the rest of China there was
a brief interval ending in 1990 or 1991 when summer time was in use.
The confusion was severe, with the province not having dual times but
four times in use at the same time. Some areas remained on standard
Xinjiang time or Beijing time and others moving their clocks ahead.)

This proposed correction would reflect usage for at least the last
thirty years and would be a great help to Uyghurs who are becoming
increasingly technologically sophisticated. (They routinely use Uyghur
localized operating systems and localized cell phones.) XJT would also
be preferable to URUT as this reflects standard usage as well as
correctly reflects the time zone for an area (in this case, the
autonomous region) and not just a city.

I don't believe that this would cause the slightest difficulty for
ethnic Han population, as they would typically set their phones and
computer time to Beijing. Some may only be a bit surprised that a
separate Xinjiang exists.

I, myself, speak from being present in Xinjiang off and on since the
80's; from my own observations as well as from asking informants who
came from outlying areas. Unfortunately, Internet documentation of the
actual law is presently hard to get. Immediately after the events of
earlier this summer, Internet in Xinjiang was cut and is still out, so
many Xinjiang sites are unavailable.

Below, though, is an example of an official website using of Urumqi

The first few lines of the Google translation of
http://www.fjysgl.gov.cn/show.aspx?id=2379&cid=39 (retrieved 2009-10-13)
> Urumqi fire seven people are missing the alleged losses of at least
> 500 million yuan
> (Reporter Dong Liu) the day before 20:20 or so (Urumqi Time 18:20),
> Urumqi City Department of International Plaza Luther Qiantang River
> burst fire. As of yesterday, 18:30, Urumqi City Fire officers and
> men have worked continuously for 22 hours, ....

-Lude (Luther) Ma

PS This request was actually prompted by tzdata being updated for
summer time in Dhaka. Previously Asia/Dhaka was a good work-around for
for me and others not having a proper Xinjiang time. The update has
caused me to ask if there might be a better solution.

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