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Old 12-14-2007, 09:00 PM
"Aaron Griffin"
 
Default Perl pathing issues

On Dec 14, 2007 3:55 PM, Jeff Mickey <jeff@archlinux.org> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 2007 2:26 PM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Good catch. Jeff, is weechat also affected? Do we know of any other
> > apps that embed perl? vim, at least, does.
>
> Weechat is fine on my system here. I'm pretty sure it loads perl
> plugins at runtime.

Could you... possibly... verify that @INC has the core_perl paths in
it? I know there was a way to run raw perl stuff... it's possible perl
might "just work" because no imports have moved to the
/usr/share/perl5/core_perl dir
 
Old 12-14-2007, 09:06 PM
Tobias Kieslich
 
Default Perl pathing issues

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Tom K wrote:

> Tobias Kieslich wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 14, 2007 1:23 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> There is a bug dealing with IRSSI on this, can anyone try a rebuild
> >>> for me and see if that fixes it? I currently can't build packages...
> >>> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8911
> >> Good catch. Jeff, is weechat also affected? Do we know of any other
> >> apps that embed perl? vim, at least, does.
> >
> > Hold on for a sec here, does that mean:
> > 1. I have to rebuildd urvxt for testing?
>
> Kevin's already done urxvt - it's 8.7-2, in testing now.
>
not his fault but I wanted to fix a bugreport with that, I'll do it
later

-T
 
Old 12-14-2007, 09:07 PM
Tobias Kieslich
 
Default Perl pathing issues

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:

> On Dec 14, 2007 3:30 PM, Tobias Kieslich <tobias@justdreams.de> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 14, 2007 1:23 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > There is a bug dealing with IRSSI on this, can anyone try a rebuild
> > > > for me and see if that fixes it? I currently can't build packages...
> > > > http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8911
> > >
> > > Good catch. Jeff, is weechat also affected? Do we know of any other
> > > apps that embed perl? vim, at least, does.
> >
> > Hold on for a sec here, does that mean:
> > 1. I have to rebuildd urvxt for testing?
> > 2. vim does not need perl as a runtime dep?
> > 3. neither does it need python?
>
> 1. yes
> 2. and 3. I'm mistaken. This is _not_ the case. Vim loads them at runtime.
not sure if you are actually, vim links against libruby but there are no
actual dependencies to python or perl.
I swear they used to be though ... wtf

-T
 
Old 12-14-2007, 09:10 PM
Jason Chu
 
Default Perl pathing issues

On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:55:28PM +0000, Tom K wrote:
> Aaron Griffin wrote:
> > On Dec 14, 2007 1:23 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> There is a bug dealing with IRSSI on this, can anyone try a rebuild
> >> for me and see if that fixes it? I currently can't build packages...
> >> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8911
> >
> > Good catch. Jeff, is weechat also affected? Do we know of any other
> > apps that embed perl? vim, at least, does.
> >
> >
>
> subversion, mod_perl also, afaik

Wait... we're talking about apps that embed a perl interpreter, right?
Cause subversion's only flaw is that it includes perl bindings. I'm pretty
sure none of the core subversion source is in perl, just some modules for
*other* apps to include.

Jason
 
Old 12-14-2007, 09:10 PM
"Aaron Griffin"
 
Default Perl pathing issues

On Dec 14, 2007 4:07 PM, Tobias Kieslich <tobias@justdreams.de> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:
>
> > On Dec 14, 2007 3:30 PM, Tobias Kieslich <tobias@justdreams.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Dec 14, 2007 1:23 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > There is a bug dealing with IRSSI on this, can anyone try a rebuild
> > > > > for me and see if that fixes it? I currently can't build packages...
> > > > > http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8911
> > > >
> > > > Good catch. Jeff, is weechat also affected? Do we know of any other
> > > > apps that embed perl? vim, at least, does.
> > >
> > > Hold on for a sec here, does that mean:
> > > 1. I have to rebuildd urvxt for testing?
> > > 2. vim does not need perl as a runtime dep?
> > > 3. neither does it need python?
> >
> > 1. yes
> > 2. and 3. I'm mistaken. This is _not_ the case. Vim loads them at runtime.
> not sure if you are actually, vim links against libruby but there are no
> actual dependencies to python or perl.
> I swear they used to be though ... wtf

I think it uses dlopen/dlsym to load it. I looked at the code once. So
it does it at runtime, but will fail hard if compiled with the option
and not found.
 
Old 12-14-2007, 09:13 PM
Tom K
 
Default Perl pathing issues

Dan McGee wrote:
> There is a bug dealing with IRSSI on this, can anyone try a rebuild
> for me and see if that fixes it? I currently can't build packages...
> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8911
>
> -Dan

irssi rebuild done and working. I'll push it up to testing shortly.

One thing, though - irssi is now installing its stuff in
/usr/lib/perl5/core_perl. As I understand the proposed new policy, these
files should now move to vendor_perl, so I'll do that before uploading.
Any problems with that?

T.
 
Old 12-14-2007, 09:20 PM
Tom K
 
Default Perl pathing issues

Jason Chu wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:55:28PM +0000, Tom K wrote:
>> Aaron Griffin wrote:
>>> On Dec 14, 2007 1:23 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There is a bug dealing with IRSSI on this, can anyone try a rebuild
>>>> for me and see if that fixes it? I currently can't build packages...
>>>> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8911
>>> Good catch. Jeff, is weechat also affected? Do we know of any other
>>> apps that embed perl? vim, at least, does.
>>>
>>>
>> subversion, mod_perl also, afaik
>
> Wait... we're talking about apps that embed a perl interpreter, right?
> Cause subversion's only flaw is that it includes perl bindings. I'm pretty
> sure none of the core subversion source is in perl, just some modules for
> *other* apps to include.
>
> Jason

OK. xterminus mentioned it on his Perl Policy wiki page, which I
understand is one of the resources for this whole thing - see FS#8374.
 
Old 12-14-2007, 10:00 PM
Jason Chu
 
Default Perl pathing issues

On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 10:20:56PM +0000, Tom K wrote:
> Jason Chu wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:55:28PM +0000, Tom K wrote:
> >> Aaron Griffin wrote:
> >>> On Dec 14, 2007 1:23 PM, Dan McGee <dpmcgee@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> There is a bug dealing with IRSSI on this, can anyone try a rebuild
> >>>> for me and see if that fixes it? I currently can't build packages...
> >>>> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8911
> >>> Good catch. Jeff, is weechat also affected? Do we know of any other
> >>> apps that embed perl? vim, at least, does.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> subversion, mod_perl also, afaik
> >
> > Wait... we're talking about apps that embed a perl interpreter, right?
> > Cause subversion's only flaw is that it includes perl bindings. I'm pretty
> > sure none of the core subversion source is in perl, just some modules for
> > *other* apps to include.
> >
> > Jason
>
> OK. xterminus mentioned it on his Perl Policy wiki page, which I
> understand is one of the resources for this whole thing - see FS#8374.

Hmmm... quoted from the Perl Policy wiki page:

------------------
Current Caveats

It does not reflect the current ArchLinux perl package(s) layout. Please do not use this document as a template for creating new perl module packages... yet... This policy, if implemented - represents a major change in way Arch handles perl.

For a draft proposal of a current “perl packaging standard” see instead Perl_Package_Guidelines.

------------------

I didn't think we were actually doing this yet. Did I miss some big
announcement?

Jason
 
Old 12-14-2007, 10:21 PM
"Aaron Griffin"
 
Default Perl pathing issues

On Dec 14, 2007 5:00 PM, Jason Chu <jason@archlinux.org> wrote:
> I didn't think we were actually doing this yet. Did I miss some big
> announcement?

It's been in the status report for like 6 weeks. It's not a big-push
thing, but one of those slow progression things.
 

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