On 10/02/2010 02:37 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 3.3 alpha is ok and based on Karmic, you can ignore the word "alpha".
So "alpha" is the new "released" :-)
(non USA'rs that's a joke. We say like 50 is the new 40 (as in age)).
Really, I don't expect _any_ audio distro to be flawless, so the
distinction between alpha,beta, and released, is a bit more blurred.
However "alpha" generally means it hasn't even been made available to
customers yet, so I hope I can find it! (Seriously)
And again with the silly names!! :-) What's Karmic? I mean that both in
the sense of "is it an actual word", but most importantly what actual
release number and date does it correspond too??? Google Android 2.2 is
also "FroYo". What's a FroYo? I had to google it. Did I learn something?
Yes, that only in California would someone call frozen yogurt "froyo"! I
happen to know that it is really just another name for 2.2 only because
Android is pretty new and have been following it. But you would have to
pay me money to calling it "froyo" when I'm discussing Andrioid with my
I don't remember seeing 3.3 on the download sites, but then again I
wasn't specifically looking for it. I think I might as well try it.
If it's tricky to find (being alpha and all), I'll might be asking...
>> Am I write in thinking that the reason these music distros are so
>> lagging, is not so much the people working on them, but just the fact
>> that developers of the music apps are slow to put out debian packages?
> I'm subscribed to the Ubuntu Studio list, having a discussion about the
> kernel. Ubuntu Studio don't ships with a PREEMPT RT kernel, but just a
> PREEMPT kernel, without the rt-patch.
> Neither the kernel-rt from the repositories, nor self-build kernels are
> ok for my Ubuntu Studio install.
Yes that's what I thought it was. My impression is that the goal was
not to provide a hard-core audio distro, but just to package up a few
nice audio and and video apps along with their regular distro.
That's not the way I work. I want one distro for desktop work, and an
other for music. Video would be nice to play with (and maybe demand more
requirments), but currently that's not my focus. My music hardware box
(it's built on one of those multimedia quiet cases) does not have
wireless, it _does_ have an nvidia card but I've disabled the 3d acell
support which seems to eliminate the dropouts, and although I have OO
and Thunderbird installed, it's only for convenience. It has a
hard-wired connection when the box is at home (no wireless), but I have
separate box that I usually do my net stuff and OO on.
> Take care when using Linux distros supporting latest desktop software
I agree. I think that some distros are trying to be two things at once.
But I assume by "desktop" software you mean things like windows
managers, email software, web browsers, fancy graphics and the like?
If so I agree.
But the thing is, it _should_ have absolutely the latest libraries and
development tools, and packages of the latest music software.
General-purpose use on my music box is not an issue for me. I have
separate boxes - one or more to do desktop work, and a custom music box
to do, well, the music.
The music box doesn't need a fancy windows manager. In fact I'm puzzled
why 64studio uses gnome by default, although it's probably one of the
cases where it would be too much work to eliminate it. And although my
music box has nVidia (by ignorance), by disabling the 3d accell I was
able to get rid of the dropouts. And it has no wireless. I don't use it
for desktop work, just
as you most likely wouldn't use your wii for general purpose use.
I _do_ have the old browser (IceWeasel) and Thunderbird on it for
convenience, but it's not my primary utility PC. de
> IMO Rosegarden is obsolet. Qtractor or Ardour3 are the new MIDI
> sequencers and perhaps Muse, if it should run on your machine.
WHOA! Rosegarden is obsolete?? I'll google Qtractor - never heard of it.
And does Ardour3 really do everything that Rosegarden does?
So you're saying that Ardour3 hooks up with NoteEdit somehow?
One thing about Rosegarden that's sorely lacking, is that AFAIK it
doesn't support any MIDI scripting languages. is Ardour3 better in this
respect? Actually I had no idea that ardour did MIDI at all!
So really, Ardour now has a common-music-notation view?
And it supports arbitrary MIDI transformation plugins?
I should explain more. Say I record a performance into Ardour and record
it as MIDI. And then say the nerd in me wants to analyze the MIDI track
and based on it, run some gizmo wizmo think written in some sort of
scripting langauge (Python?), that transforms it and then sends the new
MIDI tracks back to Ardour.
If this is possible now, count me in!!
>> So why the current trend of giving distribution releases names instead
>> of numbers? Yes, I kind of figured out that they go in alphabetical
>> order, but something like e.g. "Ponderous Priest" means nothing to me.
>> When was it released?? Is it the same as 13.1 or is it 15.0? Why do we
>> now have to keep track of both the numbered versions and the named
>> versions, and how they correspond? Isn't this the equivalent of a
>> software smell of storing the same information in two different places?
>> And invariably, the alphabetical names are stupid enough the it really
>> discredits the knowledgeable people how work hard on these distros. It
>> makes it seem like the software is just a toy for kids. At least Ubuntu
>> has a good idea with naming the numeric release according to when they
>> were released. See, the analogy with software engineering in that case
>> is a good one! It avoid needless duplication!</rant>
> Don't take the names to serious, e.g.
> On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 19:56 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
>> just play on (the beat
>> i only wish qtractor release codenames could amuse you all a little bit
>> longer than i take to make one up--it's getting real hard to cope with
>> the f&d peak, female nouns are really running out
>> maybe i'll take on your once suggestion Ralf, to switch after bikini
>> bottom characters. well, i guess then Fons will surely lol when it gets
>> to a patrick star release
>> thanks&& enjoy
> We should take care of the numbers for distros and apps, the names are just a kind of mnemonics, the brain is able to recall a picture more easy, but a number.
> And names sometimes are for amusement.
> Resume: Try 3.3 alpha or switch to AV Linux if it should be more up to date (compiling some apps shouldn't be to hard for a up to date distro).
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