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Daniel James 08-26-2010 02:24 PM

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Hi Michael,

> If 64studio is Ubuntu Hardy then why will debian packages not install when
> double clicked?

The 3.0-beta series shares some packages with Hardy, but it's a
different distro. I think the installer you are looking for is gdebi:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gdebi

We prefer synaptic, as it encourages people to download binaries from
trusted repositories. Using gdebi is more like the Windows way of doing
things, where people grab packages from all over the place and just hope
that they will work.

Cheers!

Daniel
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Folderol 08-26-2010 05:00 PM

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:24:02 +0100
Daniel James <daniel@64studio.com> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> > If 64studio is Ubuntu Hardy then why will debian packages not install when
> > double clicked?
>
> The 3.0-beta series shares some packages with Hardy, but it's a
> different distro. I think the installer you are looking for is gdebi:
>
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gdebi
>
> We prefer synaptic, as it encourages people to download binaries from
> trusted repositories. Using gdebi is more like the Windows way of doing
> things, where people grab packages from all over the place and just hope
> that they will work.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Daniel

We seem to be in permanent beta :'(

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Daniel James 08-27-2010 11:19 AM

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Hi Will,

> We seem to be in permanent beta :'(

No need for your emoticon to cry, there should be some news on that
front soon :-)

Cheers!

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Ralf Mardorf 08-27-2010 12:07 PM

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On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 12:19 +0100, Daniel James wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> > We seem to be in permanent beta :'(

Resp. alpha ;).

> No need for your emoticon to cry, there should be some news on that
> front soon :-)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Daniel

This is good news :).

OT:

Btw. if GRUB2 should become default, I recommend to change it's updater,
because his note

#
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE
#
# It is automatically generated by /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig using
templates
# from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
#

by grub.cfg is nonsense, it's not possible to get a good customised
"menu.lst" without editing grub.cfg. Unfortunately several packages run
the GRUB2 updater, so I changed the updater script to

#!/bin/sh -e
exec grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg_$(date +"%b-%d-%Y_%H-%M-%S")
"$@"

just doing a backup by the script isn't enough, because sometimes the
packages run it several times.

And unfortunately it could happen that the script gets changed back to

#!/bin/sh -e
exec update-grub "$@"

as it happened for my Ubuntu Studio (that btw. isn't ok on my machine,
OTOH I had an issue with Audacity on 64 Studio 3.3 alpha).

It would be good when using GRUB2, to add a similar edited upadter and
perhaps an old fashioned xorg.conf, perhaps it would be better to set
the freq scaling back to performance by default.

Perhaps you keep GRUB.

Anyway, some things by the new Linux style could cause trouble.

2 Cents,

Ralf

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Widen-Damian Ivanov 05-11-2011 08:03 AM

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Hi all,
I'm planning to install Linux on a mid-amount of computers (for now 30-40) and I'm searching for the right distribution. As I would like to package also some stuff for internal use, so I tried to with fedora and with ubuntu and debian testing. I had no problems at all with fedora, since their packages .srpm contains a directory where I can just change things i a package and rebuild it. I don't know why (may I'm too stupid :( but it was too complex for me) I could't manage it on ubuntu. Also while testing I found*
I can set a dependency on a file
one file to control the process of building
delta RPM's for less bandwith*
pgp packages
So is it worth it trying again, since the most wide-spread linux "ubuntu" uses deb, to try again until I get it ? Did I miss something .rpm can not ?*

Thanks in advance
Viden*

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Alex Mestiashvili 05-11-2011 10:08 AM

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On 05/11/2011 10:03 AM, Widen-Damian Ivanov wrote:

Hi all,
I'm planning to install Linux on a mid-amount of computers (for now 30-40) and I'm searching for the right distribution. As I would like to package also some stuff for internal use, so I tried to with fedora and with ubuntu and debian testing. I had no problems at all with fedora, since their packages .srpm contains a directory where I can just change things i a package and rebuild it. I don't know why (may I'm too stupid :( but it was too complex for me) I could't manage it on ubuntu. Also while testing I found
I can set a dependency on a file

one file to control the process of building
delta RPM's for less bandwith
pgp packages
So is it worth it trying again, since the most wide-spread linux "ubuntu" uses deb, to try again until I get it ? Did I miss something .rpm can not ?


Thanks in advance
Viden


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For mass installation you can look at FAI http://fai-project.org/ ,
supports both debian and redhat and what not ..

for easy start with debian packaging here is a nice tutorial:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2011/05/msg00126.html

Regards,
Alex


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"Robert Wolfe (Debian)" 05-11-2011 01:18 PM

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On 5/11/2011 4:03 AM, Widen-Damian Ivanov wrote:

Hi all,
I'm planning to install Linux on a mid-amount of computers (for now 30-40) and I'm searching for the right distribution. As I would like to package also some stuff for internal use, so I tried to with fedora and with ubuntu and debian testing. I had no problems at all with fedora, since their packages .srpm contains a directory where I can just change things i a package and rebuild it. I don't know why (may I'm too stupid :( but it was too complex for me) I could't manage it on ubuntu. Also while testing I found
I can set a dependency on a file

one file to control the process of building
delta RPM's for less bandwith
pgp packages
So is it worth it trying again, since the most wide-spread linux "ubuntu" uses deb, to try again until I get it ? Did I miss something .rpm can not ?


Thanks in advance
Viden




Viden, I _believe_ that you can still use RPM with Debian as well, as
long as you use alien to convert the packages between RPM and DEB.
Also, if you want to build your own packages on a Debian based machine,
then you can use the checkinstall utility to built both RPMs and DEBs
without any issues. It's what I use all the time and have no problems
with it. Not only does it build the binaries and make the package
files, but it also installs the package for you as well.



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John Hasler 05-11-2011 01:42 PM

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Robert Wolfe writes:
> I _believe_ that you can still use RPM with Debian as well, as long as
> you use alien to convert the packages between RPM and DEB.

Be _very_ careful with Alien.

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Robert Holtzman 05-11-2011 09:15 PM

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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 09:18:00AM -0400, Robert Wolfe (Debian) wrote:

.........snip.......
>
> Viden, I _believe_ that you can still use RPM with Debian as well,
> as long as you use alien to convert the packages between RPM and
> DEB. Also, if you want to build your own packages on a Debian based
> machine, then you can use the checkinstall utility to built both
> RPMs and DEBs without any issues. It's what I use all the time and
> have no problems with it. Not only does it build the binaries and
> make the package files, but it also installs the package for you as
> well.

I remember reading somewhere (can't find it) that checkinstall didn't
handle dependencies well. Any truth to this?

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Rob Owens 05-11-2011 09:24 PM

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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 02:15:06PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 09:18:00AM -0400, Robert Wolfe (Debian) wrote:
>
> .........snip.......
> >
> > Viden, I _believe_ that you can still use RPM with Debian as well,
> > as long as you use alien to convert the packages between RPM and
> > DEB. Also, if you want to build your own packages on a Debian based
> > machine, then you can use the checkinstall utility to built both
> > RPMs and DEBs without any issues. It's what I use all the time and
> > have no problems with it. Not only does it build the binaries and
> > make the package files, but it also installs the package for you as
> > well.
>
> I remember reading somewhere (can't find it) that checkinstall didn't
> handle dependencies well. Any truth to this?
>
Last time I used it, checkinstall didn't handle dependencies at all. It
just makes a "dumb" package, with the benefit that your package manager
is aware of it and it's easy to uninstall (which is not always the case
with compiled-from-source software).

-Rob


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