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Old 02-12-2010, 07:11 PM
Folderol
 
Default Canonical sound position opening

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:27:27 +0000
Daniel James <daniel@64studio.com> wrote:

> Hi Ralf,
>
> >> Ralf, simply turn off autospawn for pulse if it bothers you that much.
>
> That's perfectly possible, but it begs the question why pulseaudio is
> needed at all in a DAW based around JACK. Fortunately we have specialist
> and independent distros, precisely because the design choices for a
> 'mainstream' user are often the wrong choices for significant minorities
> of other users.
>
> >> IMHO pulse is coming along nicely. There are tweaks to improve its
> >> performance ...
>
> This reminds me of the argument for keeping Mono in Ubuntu, because
> "it's really not that bad, there are a couple of good applications that
> need it" etc etc. If a design decision is bad, leading to duplication
> and bloat, then no amount of compensating factors can make it a good
> decision.
>
> I'm just glad that with Free Software, we are not compelled to accept
> top-down decisions from the larger distros, in the way that Windows and
> OS X users are.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Daniel

Some sentiments I am in complete agreement with!

Incidentally, in my fight against the all-in-one do-everything
computer proponents I make the following suggestion...

Clearly there is only the need to purchase one general-purpose brush.
This can be manufactured to the lowest common denominator design so
that it can adequately perform all of the following functions:

Clean floors
Remove cobwebs
Groom dog/cat
Unblock drains
Brush suit
Dust kitchen surfaces
Clean toilet
Clear leaves from gutters
Brush hair

I just can't understand why people don't seem to accept such an
obviously practical suggestion. Even if I accept that the 'standard
profile brush' may not be ideal for any of these tasks I can't seem to
convince people of the convenience factor and ease-of-use benefits.

--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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Old 02-12-2010, 09:22 PM
Ralf Mardorf
 
Default Canonical sound position opening

Folderol wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:27:27 +0000
> Daniel James <daniel@64studio.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Ralf,
>>
>>
>>>> Ralf, simply turn off autospawn for pulse if it bothers you that much.
>>>>
>> That's perfectly possible, but it begs the question why pulseaudio is
>> needed at all in a DAW based around JACK. Fortunately we have specialist
>> and independent distros, precisely because the design choices for a
>> 'mainstream' user are often the wrong choices for significant minorities
>> of other users.
>>
>>
>>>> IMHO pulse is coming along nicely. There are tweaks to improve its
>>>> performance ...
>>>>
>> This reminds me of the argument for keeping Mono in Ubuntu, because
>> "it's really not that bad, there are a couple of good applications that
>> need it" etc etc. If a design decision is bad, leading to duplication
>> and bloat, then no amount of compensating factors can make it a good
>> decision.
>>
>> I'm just glad that with Free Software, we are not compelled to accept
>> top-down decisions from the larger distros, in the way that Windows and
>> OS X users are.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>
> Some sentiments I am in complete agreement with!
>
> Incidentally, in my fight against the all-in-one do-everything
> computer proponents I make the following suggestion...
>
> Clearly there is only the need to purchase one general-purpose brush.
> This can be manufactured to the lowest common denominator design so
> that it can adequately perform all of the following functions:
>
> Clean floors
> Remove cobwebs
> Groom dog/cat
> Unblock drains
> Brush suit
> Dust kitchen surfaces
> Clean toilet
> Clear leaves from gutters
> Brush hair
>
> I just can't understand why people don't seem to accept such an
> obviously practical suggestion. Even if I accept that the 'standard
> profile brush' may not be ideal for any of these tasks I can't seem to
> convince people of the convenience factor and ease-of-use benefits.
>

I'm sure there is such a brush. Today I visited some friends and on the
way I passed the American car of an acquaintance, btw. a known German
jazz musician, http://www.jaroschek.com/. His car talked to me. No joke.
A speaking car . It's just a kind of alarm system, but in Germany it's
unusual that cars start talking. We are living in a crazy world. I
wasn't on drugs, but had a small talk with a car.
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:23 PM
Gustin Johnson
 
Default Canonical sound position opening

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Daniel James wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
>>> Ralf, simply turn off autospawn for pulse if it bothers you that much.
>
> That's perfectly possible, but it begs the question why pulseaudio is
> needed at all in a DAW based around JACK. Fortunately we have specialist
> and independent distros, precisely because the design choices for a
> 'mainstream' user are often the wrong choices for significant minorities
> of other users.

If you have every tried to write an app for Alsa then you would not need
to ask this question. For developers, pulse is nice, and once it plays
nice with jack the question will be moot.
>
>>> IMHO pulse is coming along nicely. There are tweaks to improve its
>>> performance ...
>
> This reminds me of the argument for keeping Mono in Ubuntu, because
> "it's really not that bad, there are a couple of good applications that
> need it" etc etc. If a design decision is bad, leading to duplication
> and bloat, then no amount of compensating factors can make it a good
> decision.
>
I do not really agree with comparing pulse to Mono, but I do agree that
the ultimately the choice is with the end user, which is a good thing.

> I'm just glad that with Free Software, we are not compelled to accept
> top-down decisions from the larger distros, in the way that Windows and
> OS X users are.
>
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:18 PM
Daniel James
 
Default Canonical sound position opening

Hi Gustin,

> If you have every tried to write an app for Alsa then you would not need
> to ask this question.

I did say 'in a DAW based around JACK' :-)

> For developers, pulse is nice, and once it plays
> nice with jack the question will be moot.

Even if there were no performance problems I don't like the idea of two
sound servers running in parallel, it seems over-complicated to me. It
also means that many apps will never get native JACK support now.

I would have preferred the mainstream distros to run JACK in soft mode
instead of adopting pulseaudio, but that's their choice.

Cheers!

Daniel
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:43 PM
Ralf Mardorf
 
Default Canonical sound position opening

Daniel James wrote:
> Hi Gustin,
>
>
>> If you have every tried to write an app for Alsa then you would not need
>> to ask this question.
>>
>
> I did say 'in a DAW based around JACK' :-)
>
> > For developers, pulse is nice, and once it plays
>
>> nice with jack the question will be moot.
>>
>
> Even if there were no performance problems I don't like the idea of two
> sound servers running in parallel, it seems over-complicated to me. It
> also means that many apps will never get native JACK support now.
>
> I would have preferred the mainstream distros to run JACK in soft mode
> instead of adopting pulseaudio, but that's their choice.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Daniel

-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Re: [LAD] Canonical sound position opening
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:03:22 +0100
From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>
To: nescivi@gmail.com
CC: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org
References:
<aeed9d851002110701g14579e53ka8795dd43e22f1e5@mail .gmail.com>
<aeed9d851002110840g28760acfif459a7135e3965c@mail. gmail.com>
<4B74365A.4020903@alice-dsl.net> <201002131352.56187.nescivi@gmail.com>


Some days ago somebody posted this to the Jack-devel list: jack plugin
for the flash player
<http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2323&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a>


Reading threads similar to this you'll see that most musicians are
pissed because of this issue, just the few Linux computer freaks are
fine with it. Perhaps we are again at the point ... Linux only is for
nerds, not for users.

--
Auto-Tune don't kills music, it's bad usage does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.O.A._(Death_of_Auto-Tune)#Writing_and_inspiration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z13AjI8n4I&feature=player_embedded

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