Hi

this might be OT for a multimedia distro's mailing list, but I have
troubles with my provider. I can't write to sourceforge.net mailing
lists and I can't receive some .tar.gz attachments, seen it from this
side my request shouldn't be OT.

Does anybody know a serious German provider, that is working seriously
in the area of the Ruhrgebiet? The quality of some providers seems to
differ for different regions.

Hi Daniel

> Hi Ralf,
>
>> The original contents of reborn-i386-1_0.tar.gz have been replaced with
>> this message because of its ExceedinglyNested characteristics."
>>
>> If it's not Icedove or 64 Studio, than maybe the Windows mail servers
>> from my provider.
>
> I suspect the latter, I don't think I've ever seen this warning here.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906002

When I googled, before I wrote to the list, I found this link too,
that's why I suspect the Microsoft mail servers too, but in the headers
of the mails I'm receiving, there only is to see, that the servers of my
provider are from Microsoft, there are no entries of any AV software.

>> I won't belief that they will scan and censor mails without my
>> permission.
>
> Come on, most ISPs do that these days :-)

I once had a dispute with my provider because they enabled a junk mail
detection for my account, without my permission. I received each day
mails that offers me to enlarge body parts, designer handbags and blue
pills, while mails from friends and mailing lists couldn't be fetched by
my Linux. One day I visited the providers "Microsoft Outlook Web
Access", "Exchange" and found some of the missed mails in a folder
called "Junk-E-Mail".

Chinese HTML-bullshit with contents about how to become a sex machine
could reach me, while plain text only messages from the UK, with
contents about Linux where in quarantine, without my knowledge and even
though I disabled this function before. Alice enabled it again without
asking me.

This feature is disabled at the moment.

The fact that I'm not able to write to sourceforge.net mailing lists,
because Alice won't set up a postmaster account and that I can't write
to TERRATEC, where my sound card is from, because Alice is
UCEPROTECT-Level3 listed, is a thorn in my side.

I just want to feel certain, that there isn't a "protection" done by
Icedove, because I never get this censoring when I used Thunderbird and
other mail clients.

I guess it's done by my provider and I should change the provider again.

Cheers,
Ralf

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Hi Gustin

Gustin Johnson wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Hi
>
> > this might be OT for a multimedia distro's mailing list, but I have
> > troubles with my provider. I can't write to sourceforge.net mailing
> > lists and I can't receive some .tar.gz attachments, seen it from this
> > side my request shouldn't be OT.
>
> > Does anybody know a serious German provider, that is working seriously
> > in the area of the Ruhrgebiet? The quality of some providers seems to
> > differ for different regions.
>
> You do not need to replace your ISP, just your email provider. If I was
> not already happy with the service I give myself, I would be using these
> guys for email:
> http://www.pobox.com/

To receive Mail with Mozillas I need POP access and that costs $50/year,
when using pobox :S.

> The upshot of all this is that I have become independent from any ISP.
> I can change ISPs at will without having to re-notify everyone of an
> email address change.
>
> Even if you don't go with the pobox folks, some things you should look
> for:
>
> * ssl/tls encryption (POPS, IMAPS, TLS with SMTP etc.). All email
> server software packages support TLS/SSL. If someone does not provide
> it, then it is a choice, not a technical limitation.
>
> * Authentication of sent mail. SMTP connections should be encrypted and
> authenticated (ie. you need a username and password to send email). The
> provider should offer these services on port 25, 465, and 587.
>
> Perhaps a decent alternative is gmail. You can have your own domain
> with them, they also provide IMAP access.

In Germany it has the name "googlemail". They also are censoring
attachments, like my provider Alice does. I don't like to have
censorship for anything, even if I don't use .exe myself, I will be able
to receive attachments that have a suffix .exe, but googlemail will
block this. The protection of privacy might be fine, when using
CustomizeGoogle with Iceweasel, but how can I protect myself, when using
a mailer like Iceweasel?
There are some mail services for free, that supports POP and SMTP
access, but IMO they aren't trustable.

> Personally, I have been doing it myself since the late '90s. I now have
> a server in a local co-location facility. This is the most expensive
> route and requires a fair bit of knowledge to keep it smoothly running,
> but it is certainly an option.

I would like to have a provider, that doesn't ignore the RFCs like Alice
does, that don't hurt the protection of privacy and that won't raises
the costs I've got now. And I need POP and SMTP.

My old provider was MEOCO and they become VERSATEL, so the service got
worse. I changed to ALICE because of references and ALICE changed to a
behaviour like AOL has got.

There seems to be the need to have an own server, but this will be too
expensive for me.

I can live with Alice and I can think about an alternative like pobox,
but it would be better to have one serious ISP that supports the mail
service too.

Thank you for the hints,
Ralf

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> how can I protect myself, when using a mailer like Iceweasel?
>

Oops I mean Icedove

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Ralf Mardorf wrote:

>> You do not need to replace your ISP, just your email provider. If I was
>> not already happy with the service I give myself, I would be using these
>> guys for email:
>> http://www.pobox.com/
>
> To receive Mail with Mozillas I need POP access and that costs $50/year,
> when using pobox :S.
>

That is less than $5 / month (4.1666666... to be more precise) which
seems to be more than reasonable to me.

It is also IMAP *and* POP support, why anyone would choose POP over IMAP
is beyond me.
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Gustin Johnson wrote:
> That is less than $5 / month (4.1666666... to be more precise) which
> seems to be more than reasonable to me.
>
> It is also IMAP *and* POP support, why anyone would choose POP over IMAP
> is beyond me.

4,17$/month is a lot of money for me, added to the costs of my ISP.

Is there another way to fetch Mails by Mozillas, than to use a POP
server? Keep in mind, that I don't need forwarding emails to my Alice
account, because than I will have the same problem I've got now, e.g. I
don't have the Linux ReBorn, because the ReBorn.tar.gz was removed,
probably by my provider. I don't like it, if my provider scans and
censors the mails people send me. I don't need protection against
putative or real Windows viruses. This is just one example why I'm angry
about my provider. I don't have the contact to get ReBorn legal for free
again and there is no alternative to ReBorn for Linux I know. ReBorn
might be not as good as a TB-303 or ReBirth, but it should be good
enough to take it serious, while FreeBirth is just a joke.


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It's possible to use openPGP + Mixminion. Than the content is save and
it's only possible to see that a mail is sent to a Mixminion server, but
not who will be the recipient at the end of the chain. Often Mixminon
fails. There is TorK available for Lenny, but it comes without
Mixminion, so I guess it won't be easy to compile it for Lenny. I was
using Mixminion with Suse 10.x with and without TorK, but often it fails
or it takes days, until mails will reach the recipients. The actual
stable Suse is 11.0 and 11.1 is on it's way. For paranoid people Suse is
the better distro. They also have AppAmor to protect applications to be
hacked. I guess this is overkill, but I don't trust Google. I need to
use Google and sometimes I'm doing this without using CustomizeGoogle.

You know CustomizeGoogle? http://www.customizegoogle.com/


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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [64studio-users] Looking for a serious German internet
provider - PS: Icedove
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:23:07 +0100
From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>
To: Ross <rosscoad@slingshot.co.nz>
References: <492C91E7.1090706@alice-dsl.net>
<492C9EDC.2050205@alice-dsl.net> <492D5C86.3050504@64studio.com>
<492D8211.4030202@alice-dsl.net> <492DC704.3060403@echostar.ca>
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Hi Ross

> I guess I am old school and prefer mail client over webmail. I seem to
> get all mails ie no censorship
>
> Hope this helps,
> Ross.

I prefer to have the mails on my computer, I'm online all the time, but
handling it this way, I have access to my mails, even if I can't connect
to the net. Privacy is better on my own HD, excepted to the mails that
are available by mailing list archives, not less of them are painful, I
can prevent of making myself to a clown, by those mails too.

It's not clear how save mails are by Google. The information, that there
is no censorship is a help, but it's still open what Google does with data.

Thank you,
Ralf



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Sorry list , sorry Ross

I didn't notice which mails should be off-list and which one for the
list too.

There wasn't something very private sent to the list, but maybe there
are some mails missing.

Ralf

Ross wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> I prefer to have the mails on my computer, I'm online all the time, but
>> handling it this way, I have access to my mails, even if I can't connect
>> to the net. Privacy is better on my own HD, excepted to the mails that
>> are available by mailing list archives, not less of them are painful, I
>> can prevent of making myself to a clown, by those mails too.
>>
>> It's not clear how save mails are by Google. The information, that there
>> is no censorship is a help, but it's still open what Google does with
>> data.
>>
>
> I also prefer to keep mails on my system which is why I use
> Thunderbird to download my messages via gmail pop server and send via
> gmail smtp. I have several years email stored on a partition which I
> share between the various operating systems I use on this machine.
>
> I realise that this system I use is not perfect, as you say who knows
> what google do with the mails. The way I see it is that I have to
> trust someone to store (temporarily) and transfer my email and am
> really not so sure that I trust my ISP more than I trust gmail. Even
> using Gustin's method of running his own MTA still relies on his ISP
> to actually transmit and receive his mail, therefore there is still
> the risk that his ISP could intercept his pop and/or smtp traffic for
> their own purposes.
>
> Regards,
> Ross.





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