Is there a way to banish arts?

06-26-2008, 12:45 AM

Hi

I run some media players and now I do "nothing", only Icedove and
Firefox is opened and top is running by Yakuake. KDE sound is disabled.
"Normally" my media players are using ALSA and seldom Jack, there might
be a KDE player, that might use arts and maybe I run it accidentally
while clicking on some sound files, but at the moment there is no media
player running.

Why is artsd wasting resources? Why is IRQ-21, the sound card, "runner-up"?

KDE sound is disabled, only computer case speaker beep is enabled.

spinymouse@64studio:~$ top
top - 01:59:13 up 3:51, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.09
Tasks: 145 total, 2 running, 143 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 3.3%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 96.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi,
0.0%si, 0.0%st
Mem: 1911196k total, 773028k used, 1138168k free, 58492k buffers
Swap: 1076312k total, 0k used, 1076312k free, 425956k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
10956 spinymou 20 0 360m 49m 12m R 7 2.7 13:40.72 artsd
8489 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:18.90 IRQ-21
13184 spinymou 20 0 18888 1288 936 R 0 0.1 0:00.11 top
1 root 20 0 10244 760 624 S 0 0.0 0:01.01 init
2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
3 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
posix_cpu_timer
4 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-high/0
5 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:40.28
softirq-timer/0
6 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.40
softirq-net-tx/
7 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:04.25
softirq-net-rx/
8 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-block/0
9 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01
softirq-tasklet
10 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.57
softirq-sched/0
11 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.11
softirq-rcu/0
12 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 desched/0
13 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1
14 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
posix_cpu_timer
15 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-high/1
16 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:25.01
softirq-timer/1
17 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.15
softirq-net-tx/
18 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01
softirq-net-rx/
19 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-block/1
20 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-tasklet
21 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.61
softirq-sched/1
22 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.52
softirq-rcu/1
23 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 desched/1
24 root -2 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.43 events/0
25 root -2 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.63 events/1
26 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
27 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kthread
44 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.03 kblockd/0
45 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 kblockd/1
46 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid
spinymouse@64studio:~$ cat /proc/interrupts
CPU0 CPU1
0: 212 0 IO-APIC-edge timer
1: 10 7303 IO-APIC-edge i8042
7: 0 0 IO-APIC-edge parport0
8: 1 0 IO-APIC-edge rtc
9: 0 1 IO-APIC-fasteoi acpi
12: 1371 1092071 IO-APIC-edge i8042
14: 141 182726 IO-APIC-edge ide0
16: 1 250 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci_hcd:usb1
17: 0 56 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci_hcd:usb2,
ohci_hcd:usb4
18: 0 2 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci_hcd:usb3,
ohci_hcd:usb5
19: 1620 293318 IO-APIC-fasteoi ehci_hcd:usb6, eth1
20: 0 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi libata
21: 268 450583 IO-APIC-fasteoi ICE1712
22: 0 3 IO-APIC-fasteoi libata, ohci1394
NMI: 0 0
LOC: 14198799 14198726
ERR: 0
spinymouse@64studio:~$

64studio:/home/spinymouse# kill 10956
64studio:/home/spinymouse# top
top - 02:32:45 up 4:24, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.07, 0.08
Tasks: 147 total, 1 running, 146 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 0.2%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi,
0.0%si, 0.0%st
Mem: 1911196k total, 798568k used, 1112628k free, 60084k buffers
Swap: 1076312k total, 0k used, 1076312k free, 429172k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
13275 root 20 0 18888 1284 936 R 0 0.1 0:00.18 top
1 root 20 0 10244 760 624 S 0 0.0 0:01.02 init
2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
3 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
posix_cpu_timer
4 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-high/0
5 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:45.61
softirq-timer/0
6 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.41
softirq-net-tx/
7 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:04.30
softirq-net-rx/
8 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-block/0
9 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01
softirq-tasklet
10 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.60
softirq-sched/0
11 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.11
softirq-rcu/0
12 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 desched/0
13 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1
14 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
posix_cpu_timer
15 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-high/1
16 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:28.19
softirq-timer/1
17 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.15
softirq-net-tx/
18 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01
softirq-net-rx/
19 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-block/1
20 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
softirq-tasklet
21 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.64
softirq-sched/1
22 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.53
softirq-rcu/1
23 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 desched/1
24 root -2 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.50 events/0
25 root -2 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.71 events/1
26 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
27 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kthread
44 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.03 kblockd/0
45 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 kblockd/1
46 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid
47 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 IRQ-9
160 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
ksuspend_usbd
64studio:/home/spinymouse#

Okay, I clearly run arts accidentally, and once the daemon has been
started, it will run until I kill it manually. Is there a way to banish
arts?

Cheers,
Ralf

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06-26-2008, 04:18 AM

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I am not in front of a KDE machine right now, but you can disable the
arts daemon in the kde control center. Even when nothing is generating
sound, arts is a daemon that is alway running.

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi

>
> I run some media players and now I do "nothing", only Icedove and
> Firefox is opened and top is running by Yakuake. KDE sound is disabled.
> "Normally" my media players are using ALSA and seldom Jack, there might
> be a KDE player, that might use arts and maybe I run it accidentally
> while clicking on some sound files, but at the moment there is no media
> player running.
>
> Why is artsd wasting resources? Why is IRQ-21, the sound card, "runner-up"?
>
> KDE sound is disabled, only computer case speaker beep is enabled.
>
> spinymouse@64studio:~$ top
> top - 01:59:13 up 3:51, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.09
> Tasks: 145 total, 2 running, 143 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
> Cpu(s): 3.3%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 96.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi,
> 0.0%si, 0.0%st
> Mem: 1911196k total, 773028k used, 1138168k free, 58492k buffers
> Swap: 1076312k total, 0k used, 1076312k free, 425956k cached
>
> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 10956 spinymou 20 0 360m 49m 12m R 7 2.7 13:40.72 artsd
> 8489 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:18.90 IRQ-21
> 13184 spinymou 20 0 18888 1288 936 R 0 0.1 0:00.11 top
> 1 root 20 0 10244 760 624 S 0 0.0 0:01.01 init
> 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
> 3 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> posix_cpu_timer
> 4 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-high/0
> 5 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:40.28
> softirq-timer/0
> 6 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.40
> softirq-net-tx/
> 7 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:04.25
> softirq-net-rx/
> 8 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-block/0
> 9 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01
> softirq-tasklet
> 10 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.57
> softirq-sched/0
> 11 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.11
> softirq-rcu/0
> 12 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 desched/0
> 13 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1
> 14 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> posix_cpu_timer
> 15 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-high/1
> 16 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:25.01
> softirq-timer/1
> 17 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.15
> softirq-net-tx/
> 18 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01
> softirq-net-rx/
> 19 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-block/1
> 20 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-tasklet
> 21 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.61
> softirq-sched/1
> 22 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.52
> softirq-rcu/1
> 23 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 desched/1
> 24 root -2 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.43 events/0
> 25 root -2 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.63 events/1
> 26 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
> 27 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kthread
> 44 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.03 kblockd/0
> 45 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 kblockd/1
> 46 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid
> spinymouse@64studio:~$ cat /proc/interrupts
> CPU0 CPU1
> 0: 212 0 IO-APIC-edge timer
> 1: 10 7303 IO-APIC-edge i8042
> 7: 0 0 IO-APIC-edge parport0
> 8: 1 0 IO-APIC-edge rtc
> 9: 0 1 IO-APIC-fasteoi acpi
> 12: 1371 1092071 IO-APIC-edge i8042
> 14: 141 182726 IO-APIC-edge ide0
> 16: 1 250 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci_hcd:usb1
> 17: 0 56 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci_hcd:usb2,
> ohci_hcd:usb4
> 18: 0 2 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci_hcd:usb3,
> ohci_hcd:usb5
> 19: 1620 293318 IO-APIC-fasteoi ehci_hcd:usb6, eth1
> 20: 0 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi libata
> 21: 268 450583 IO-APIC-fasteoi ICE1712
> 22: 0 3 IO-APIC-fasteoi libata, ohci1394
> NMI: 0 0
> LOC: 14198799 14198726
> ERR: 0
> spinymouse@64studio:~$
>
> 64studio:/home/spinymouse# kill 10956
> 64studio:/home/spinymouse# top
> top - 02:32:45 up 4:24, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.07, 0.08
> Tasks: 147 total, 1 running, 146 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
> Cpu(s): 0.2%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi,
> 0.0%si, 0.0%st
> Mem: 1911196k total, 798568k used, 1112628k free, 60084k buffers
> Swap: 1076312k total, 0k used, 1076312k free, 429172k cached
>
> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
> 13275 root 20 0 18888 1284 936 R 0 0.1 0:00.18 top
> 1 root 20 0 10244 760 624 S 0 0.0 0:01.02 init
> 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
> 3 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> posix_cpu_timer
> 4 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-high/0
> 5 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:45.61
> softirq-timer/0
> 6 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.41
> softirq-net-tx/
> 7 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:04.30
> softirq-net-rx/
> 8 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-block/0
> 9 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01
> softirq-tasklet
> 10 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.60
> softirq-sched/0
> 11 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.11
> softirq-rcu/0
> 12 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 desched/0
> 13 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1
> 14 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> posix_cpu_timer
> 15 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-high/1
> 16 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:28.19
> softirq-timer/1
> 17 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.15
> softirq-net-tx/
> 18 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01
> softirq-net-rx/
> 19 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-block/1
> 20 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> softirq-tasklet
> 21 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.64
> softirq-sched/1
> 22 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.53
> softirq-rcu/1
> 23 root 10 -10 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 desched/1
> 24 root -2 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.50 events/0
> 25 root -2 -20 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.71 events/1
> 26 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
> 27 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kthread
> 44 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.03 kblockd/0
> 45 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 kblockd/1
> 46 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid
> 47 root -51 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 IRQ-9
> 160 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00
> ksuspend_usbd
> 64studio:/home/spinymouse#
>
> Okay, I clearly run arts accidentally, and once the daemon has been
> started, it will run until I kill it manually. Is there a way to banish
> arts?
>
> Cheers,
> Ralf
>
>
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06-26-2008, 04:40 AM

Gustin Johnson wrote:
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> I am not in front of a KDE machine right now, but you can disable the
> arts daemon in the kde control center. Even when nothing is generating
> sound, arts is a daemon that is alway running.
>
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Hi

>>
>> I run some media players and now I do "nothing", only Icedove and
>> Firefox is opened and top is running by Yakuake. KDE sound is disabled.
>> "Normally" my media players are using ALSA and seldom Jack, there might
>> be a KDE player, that might use arts and maybe I run it accidentally
>> while clicking on some sound files, but at the moment there is no media
>> player running.
>>
>> Why is artsd wasting resources? Why is IRQ-21, the sound card, "runner-up"?
>>
>> KDE sound is disabled, only computer case speaker beep is enabled.

Arts is terminated when you start Jack, which is what most people would
use on a system like this, I suspect. By default, under Setup -> Options
-> Scripting there is a checked box for "Execute Script on Startup" and
the value is:

artsshell -q terminate

Of course, I'm using a straight 64 Studio 2.1 installation, with Gnome
as my desktop. The only apps I installed out of Etch are K3B (I just
don't like the Gnome app for CD ripping/burning) and some web
development apps (Apache, MySQL, some Perl modules) and Vim. I just
don't have the patience to mess around with this stuff when the whole
reason I'm using 64 Studio is for the great systems integration of
Debian combined with the wonderful music and audio apps that the 64
Studio team keep up to date with and nicely integrated into a stable
system, even the testing system.

-Susan

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06-26-2008, 07:39 AM

hi,

yeah, sure you can stop artsd from starting. this is one of the first
things i
do on each installation, i am really looking forward kde4.x becoming good,
phonon, the successor of arts might be interesting.
i have encountered several _really_strange_ errors with the sound system
while
arts was running, such as that amarok needed about 2 minutes after a new
start to start playing soundfiles _with_sound_ (it started playing them
silent), sometimes amarok stopped making sound but kept on playing the
files ... this has been solved by turning of this thing called arts.

you can do the trick via kcontrol:
sound & multimedia => sound system => remove the tick at "enable sound
system"

the downside is that you will not have system sounds, but i consider this
an
uside. ;-)

all the best,

tobias

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06-26-2008, 08:56 AM

Thanks Susan, Gustin and Tobias

the first thing after installing KDE was, that I disabled system sound
and arts, so I can't disable it by kcontrol because it's still disabled

. Almost no one will system sound for a DAW. Yesterday I tried
different multimedia players. The players I usually use are set to use
ALSA or Jack.

One of those players must have started arts. So it always can be, that
if I'm careless, some KDE application starts arts.

I might run every KDE application now and check out if it starts arts
and if so, I could change the preferences.

What I'm looking for is a way that arts never can start.

artsshell -q terminate seems to be assimilable to kill, what I did when I noticed that arts was running.

I'm thinking of deleting artsd in /usr/bin, because I can't do this by Synaptic without removing KDE, but this seems to be a inelegant solution.

I'm using KDE because with GNOME I'm missing a lot of applications, not only K3b. I also need the KDE of Lenny, because this computer is a DA'n'VideoW, that does not mean that everything is Lenny.

For example, if I do a right click on a video, I can convert it because of http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kvm+(Kde+Video+Menu)?content=50959, if it would be possible to have multimedia applications like this for GNOME, that would be nice, but I never heard about it. Also I wish to have a good file browser like Konqueror and things like the Klipper.

I'm using KDE because it's a DAW and it should be really a "workstation". If I will run out of resources, I will use Ion instead of GNOME, KDE etc., because this really don't need much resources.

For me GNOME isn't a good choice for a DAW, because it needs a lot of resources and has no comfort, that is suitable for a DAW.

64 Studio 2.1 is fine, but why shouldn't I use the whole functionality of Linux, applications Microsoft has not. There is enough stuff Apple and Microsoft have got, that Linux hasn't. IMO GNOME isn't a good DE and I don't think 64 Studio will be unstable because of running KDE

, even if there will be no arts.

Cheers,
Ralf

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06-26-2008, 09:13 AM

Susan Dridi wrote:
> Arts is terminated when you start Jack

If so, it would be fine. It doesn't matter if any unneeded daemon will
run while I'm writing emails etc., but e.g. there should be no artsd if
I'm making music. After running Jack, artsd still is running. Also
/usr/bin/jackd | sudo killall artsd in QJack's settings won't kill it, I
have to do it manually

, I guess the pipe isn't the right command.

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06-26-2008, 09:52 AM

Peter Geirnaert wrote:
> Hi Ralf
>
> /usr/bin/jackd | sudo killall artsd in QJack's settings won't kill
> it, I
> have to do it manually

, I guess the pipe isn't the right command.
>
>
> I think it should be
> killall artsd & /usr/bin/jackd
>
> ;-)

I tested the & too and it didn't work. But you are right with killall
artsd without being root, that will work when running it by the shell.
There also is an execution script for QJack's startup (artsshell -q
terminate) like Susan said, but it won't kill arts.

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06-26-2008, 10:02 AM

Oops, I sent it Bcc by accident instead of Cc to the list and that seems
not to be fine.

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Peter Geirnaert wrote:
>
>> Hi Ralf
>>
>> /usr/bin/jackd | sudo killall artsd in QJack's settings won't kill
>> it, I
>> have to do it manually

, I guess the pipe isn't the right command.
>>
>>
>> I think it should be
>> killall artsd & /usr/bin/jackd
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>
> I tested the & too and it didn't work. But you are right with killall
> artsd without being root, that will work when running it by the shell.
> There also is an execution script for QJack's startup (artsshell -q
> terminate) like Susan said, but it won't kill arts.
>

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