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http://www.64studio.com/node/1477http://www.64studio.com/node/1480http://www.64studio.com/node/1473
ALSO, the irc channel hasnt had a topic in about a year and a half... id be glad to take on ops in there to help out... im holstein on freenode... im not asking for anything besides information.. i feel like the roadmap should be udated, and the IRC channel either*maintained, or removed as an official support option on the website... i can only imagine how much work a project like this can be, but some updated information is long overdue... thanks in advance... -- MH http://www.myspace.com/mikeholstein http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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2010/7/8 Mike Holstein <mikeh789@gmail.com> http://www.64studio.com/node/1477http://www.64studio.com/node/1480http://www.64studio.com/node/1473 ALSO, the irc channel hasnt had a topic in about a year and a half... id be glad to take on ops in there to help out... im holstein on freenode... im not asking for anything besides information.. i feel like the roadmap should be udated, and the IRC channel either*maintained, or removed as an official support option on the website... i can only imagine how much work a project like this can be, but some updated information is long overdue... thanks in advance... -- MH I'm betting the developers are either wringing their hands or jumping ship because Ubuntu with a lot of money and community behind it already, has put together "Studio Ubuntu" with a realtime kernel, stock. It's not quite as cool as 64Studio but it is growing very fast.* I actually prefer having choices but if the main distro is any example, these boys dominate everything.* They're even bumping heads with RedHat... not Fedora, but the Enterprise Edition RedHat. _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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Hi Jimmy,
> I'm betting the developers are either wringing their hands or jumping > ship because Ubuntu with a lot of money and community behind it already, > has put together "Studio Ubuntu" with a realtime kernel Not quite. It's true that Ubuntu Studio is pretty close to our original design for the 64 Studio distro. We were offered the possibility of a merger by a former Ubuntu Studio project leader, but that would have meant them being in charge and us doing the work. As far as I know, Ubuntu Studio has technical support but no actual cash funding from Canonical, and I think that's been the case from the beginning of that project. These days, our focus is not on a general-purpose creative distro, because Ubuntu Studio and other similar projects like AV Linux provide that. Rather, we use our distro customisation tools to create niche products, like musical instruments, mobile devices and audio research equipment. There will be more free download audio/multimedia distros available from us though, because we need to stay very close to the community that we've helped create. Cheers! Daniel _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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"These days, our focus is not on a general-purpose creative distro,because Ubuntu Studio and other similar projects like AV Linux providethat. Rather, we use our distro customisation tools to create niche
products, like musical instruments, mobile devices and audio researchequipment.*There will be more free download audio/multimedia distros available fromus though, because we need to stay very close to the community that we've helped create." this is exactly the kind of thing i would like to see on the front page of the website... and what about the IRC daniel? should i ask in #freenode about closing the channel? would you like some help with the channel? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Daniel James <daniel@64studio.com> wrote: Hi Jimmy, > I'm betting the developers are either wringing their hands or jumping > ship because Ubuntu with a lot of money and community behind it already, > has put together "Studio Ubuntu" with a realtime kernel Not quite. It's true that Ubuntu Studio is pretty close to our original design for the 64 Studio distro. We were offered the possibility of a merger by a former Ubuntu Studio project leader, but that would have meant them being in charge and us doing the work. As far as I know, Ubuntu Studio has technical support but no actual cash funding from Canonical, and I think that's been the case from the beginning of that project. These days, our focus is not on a general-purpose creative distro, because Ubuntu Studio and other similar projects like AV Linux provide that. Rather, we use our distro customisation tools to create niche products, like musical instruments, mobile devices and audio research equipment. There will be more free download audio/multimedia distros available from us though, because we need to stay very close to the community that we've helped create. Cheers! Daniel _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel -- MH 828.250.0037 http://www.myspace.com/mikeholstein http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 20:21 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > "These days, our focus is not on a general-purpose creative distro, > because Ubuntu Studio and other similar projects like AV Linux provide > that. Rather, we use our distro customisation tools to create niche > products, like musical instruments, mobile devices and audio research > equipment. There will be more free download audio/multimedia distros > available from > us though, because we need to stay very close to the community that > we've helped create." > > > this is exactly the kind of thing i would like to see on the front > page of the website... and what about the IRC daniel? should i ask in > #freenode about closing the channel? would you like some help with the > channel? So if a 64-bit Debian or Ubuntu based Linux is wanted, than a user might be more comfortable to use Ubuntu Studio, but 64 Studio? Or using Ubuntu Studio 8.04.1 (Hardy) + the 64 Studio 3.0 repository, resp. Ubuntu Studio 9.10 (Karmic) + the 64 Studio 3.3 repository? My plan for today was: "I scheduled to get 64 Studio 3.0 and 3.3 from my broken hard disk drive, by using a hammer or something softer, to free the heads, when they do this click-click sound, but because the postman delivered the second sound card I'm too curious, so I'll restore at least 3.3 from a backup, to my new hard disk drive and delay the original plan." Hm, maybe I'll completely delay to restore 64 Studio, but should take a look at Ubuntu Studio 10.04 (Lucid)?! I dunno what I'll do. At the moment it's to hot in the room, so I'll turn of the computer and leave the room. Cheers! Ralf _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote: Hi :) So if a 64-bit Debian or Ubuntu based Linux is wanted, than a user might be more comfortable to use Ubuntu Studio, but 64 Studio? Or using Ubuntu Studio 8.04.1 (Hardy) + the 64 Studio 3.0 repository, resp. Ubuntu Studio 9.10 (Karmic) + the 64 Studio 3.3 repository? My plan for today was: "I scheduled to get 64 Studio 3.0 and 3.3 from my broken hard disk drive, by using a hammer or something softer, to free the heads, when they do this click-click sound, but because the postman delivered the second sound card I'm too curious, so I'll restore at least 3.3 from a backup, to my new hard disk drive and delay the original plan." Hm, maybe I'll completely delay to restore 64 Studio, but should take a look at Ubuntu Studio 10.04 (Lucid)?! I dunno what I'll do. At the moment it's to hot in the room, so I'll turn of the computer and leave the room. Cheers! Ralf Hope you don't mind if I answer LIFO. You actually have the answer in your conundrum. With 64 Studio you actually have the option to upgrade and carry on as always just a little better.* It has been my experience that Ubuntu is too locked into the ":new = improved" philosophy to the extent that things that used to work are either non-existent anymore or cease to work which makes upgrading far riskier. To be fair and since I've been informed that Studio Ubuntu is not Canononical and I have only experience with 10.04, I can;t say if this will definitely be the case with SU.* However historically there are many "branches" of Ubuntu that stay with the "trunk" or die off.* They are often utterly dependent. OT -* As for your clicking hard drive, as long as it isn't grinding you may be able to save it.* If you use the manufacturer's thorough test program sometimes just forcing the disk through a few hours of block-by-block checking will improve function long enough to back it up, if not put back into use.* Hirens Boot CD is a good (and free) source for such tools. * * _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 12:54 +0100, Daniel James wrote:
> It's true that Ubuntu Studio is pretty close to our original > design for the 64 Studio distro. No it isn't. I experienced that non of the kernel-rt from the repository is boot-able. By default they install not a kernel-rt. I couldn't build a kernel-rt that is boot-able. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> To: Niels Mayer <nielsmayer@gmail.com> Cc: Linux Audio Developers <linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org> Subject: Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:45:38 +0200 On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:02 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > It's perfectly fine for the 1712, and the audio sync probably has > nothing to do with midi jitter. Yep, I just wanted to underline that at the moment this are two cards, but one virtual. Unfortunately no kernel-rt is boot-able for my Ubuntu Studio 10.04. If 64 Studio isn't continued, I don't know any good DEB based audio Linux for 64-bit architecture. AV Linux seems to be good, but is released only as i386. Hm, perhaps OT for this list: I wonder if anybody run Ubuntustudio 10.04 with a kernel-rt. Building a kernel failed. And all kernel-rt from the repositories failed. $ cd /usr/src $ sudo synaptic I checked if those packages were installed: bin86 build-essential bzip2 fakeroot gcc kernel-package make libncurses5-dev $ wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.33.5.tar.bz2 $ wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/patch-2.6.33.5-rt23.bz2 $ tar xvjf linux-2.6.33.5.tar.bz2 $ rm linux-2.6.33.5.tar.bz2 $ mv linux-2.6.33.5 linux-2.6.33.5-rt23 $ ln -s linux-2.6.33.5-rt23 linux $ cd linux $ bunzip2 ../patch-2.6.33.5-rt23.bz2 $ patch -p1 < ../patch-2.6.33.5-rt23 $ rm ../patch-2.6.33.5-rt23 $ cp /boot/config-2.6.32-23-preempt .config $ make oldconfig 81 x Enter $ make menuconfig Edited from Generic-x86-64 to Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8 Save an Alternate Configuration File $ make oldconfig Nothing to do $ make-kpkg clean $ export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 This didn't work: $ make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers kernel-source 50 minutes later make[5]: *** [drivers/staging/comedi/drivers/quatech_daqp_cs.o] Error 1 make[4]: *** [drivers/staging/comedi/drivers] Error 2 Hence I edited .config: $ cat .config | grep COMEDI CONFIG_COMEDI=m # CONFIG_COMEDI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_COMEDI_PCI_DRIVERS=m CONFIG_COMEDI_PCMCIA_DRIVERS=m CONFIG_COMEDI_USB_DRIVERS=m $ gedit .config $ cat .config | grep COMEDI # CONFIG_COMEDI is not set # CONFIG_COMEDI_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_COMEDI_PCI_DRIVERS is not set # CONFIG_COMEDI_PCMCIA_DRIVERS is not set # CONFIG_COMEDI_USB_DRIVERS is not set $ make oldconfig Nothing to do $ make-kpkg clean $ make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers kernel-source Another 50 minutes later make[4]: *** [drivers/staging/pohmelfs/inode.o] Error 1 make[3]: *** [drivers/staging/pohmelfs] Error 2 Hence I edited .config: $ cat .config | grep POHMEL CONFIG_POHMELFS=m # CONFIG_POHMELFS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_POHMELFS_CRYPTO=y $ gedit .config $ cat .config | grep POHMEL # CONFIG_POHMELFS is not set # CONFIG_POHMELFS_DEBUG is not set # CONFIG_POHMELFS_CRYPTO is not set $ make oldconfig Nothing to do $ make-kpkg clean Here it is ok: $ make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers kernel-source 80 minutes later $ cd .. $ sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.33.5-rt23_2.6.33.5-rt23-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::: When I tried to boot the kernel I got '[ 0.499322] ACPI: Expecting a [Reference] package element, found type 0 [ 0.811991] kernel panic - not syncing: VPS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)' For the entry in grub.cfg initrd is missing: menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.33.5-rt23' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os { recordfail insmod ext2 set root='(hd1,11)' search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 54b5bb8c-356a-4268-8592-e76aac7941a8 linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.33.5-rt23 root=/dev/sdb11 ro quiet splash } Unfortunately initrd is missing too: $ ls /boot/initrd* /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-23-preempt $ ls /boot abi-2.6.32-23-preempt grub System.map-2.6.32-23-preempt vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-preempt config-2.6.32-23-preempt initrd.img-2.6.32-23-preempt System.map-2.6.33.5-rt23 vmlinuz-2.6.33.5-rt23 config-2.6.33.5-rt23 memtest86+.bin :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::: 'Kernels * Amd64 -generic will be installed if ubuntustudio-audio meta is NOT selected during installation process -preempt kernel will be installed if ubuntustudo-audio meta IS selected during installation process -lowlatency kernel is also available in Abogani's PPA - https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa -realtime kernel will be available in Ubuntu Studio PPA' http://ubuntustudio.org/LucidLynx So I added 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu lucid main' and 'deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu lucid main'. Then I installed the rt kernel from this repository. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::: When I try to boot kernel 2.6.33-23-realtime from the repository I get 'ACPI: Expecting a [Reference] package element, found type 0' too, but no kernel panic, instead it will boot into text mode. Cheers! Ralf _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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I have no trouble with the RT kernel in ubuntu... I use the one from the default repos... however, I would like to discuss 64studio...
right now, when you go to the 64studio main page, it reads... "64 Studio Ltd. produces bespoke GNU/Linux distributions which are compatible with official Debian and Ubuntu releases. Specialising in multimedia and digital content creation platforms which we develop for our OEM partners, we also offer support, documentation services and consultancy. Our software is already included in several shipping products in the professional audio market, with more to follow. In addition, we offer a free download product which has won critical acclaim for its stability and high performance." when in fact, this is more like it.. "These days, our focus is not on a general-purpose creative distro, because Ubuntu Studio and other similar projects like AV Linux provide that. Rather, we use our distro customisation tools to create niche products, like musical instruments, mobile devices and audio research equipment.*There will be more free download audio/multimedia distros available from us though, because we need to stay very close to the community that we've helped create." in the future, responses about 64studio in this thread would be greatly appreciated... thanks.. 2010/7/10 Jimmy <enorbet@gmail.com> Comments follow On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote: Hi :) So if a 64-bit Debian or Ubuntu based Linux is wanted, than a user might be more comfortable to use Ubuntu Studio, but 64 Studio? Or using Ubuntu Studio 8.04.1 (Hardy) + the 64 Studio 3.0 repository, resp. Ubuntu Studio 9.10 (Karmic) + the 64 Studio 3.3 repository? My plan for today was: "I scheduled to get 64 Studio 3.0 and 3.3 from my broken hard disk drive, by using a hammer or something softer, to free the heads, when they do this click-click sound, but because the postman delivered the second sound card I'm too curious, so I'll restore at least 3.3 from a backup, to my new hard disk drive and delay the original plan." Hm, maybe I'll completely delay to restore 64 Studio, but should take a look at Ubuntu Studio 10.04 (Lucid)?! I dunno what I'll do. At the moment it's to hot in the room, so I'll turn of the computer and leave the room. Cheers! Ralf Hope you don't mind if I answer LIFO. You actually have the answer in your conundrum. With 64 Studio you actually have the option to upgrade and carry on as always just a little better.* It has been my experience that Ubuntu is too locked into the ":new = improved" philosophy to the extent that things that used to work are either non-existent anymore or cease to work which makes upgrading far riskier. To be fair and since I've been informed that Studio Ubuntu is not Canononical and I have only experience with 10.04, I can;t say if this will definitely be the case with SU.* However historically there are many "branches" of Ubuntu that stay with the "trunk" or die off.* They are often utterly dependent. OT -* As for your clicking hard drive, as long as it isn't grinding you may be able to save it.* If you use the manufacturer's thorough test program sometimes just forcing the disk through a few hours of block-by-block checking will improve function long enough to back it up, if not put back into use.* Hirens Boot CD is a good (and free) source for such tools. * * _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel -- MH http://www.myspace.com/mikeholstein http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 21:40 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
> I have no trouble with the RT kernel in ubuntu... I use the one from > the default repos... however, I would like to discuss 64studio... I also don't have issues, regarding to a boot-able kernel-rt, when using Ubuntu Lucid or a RPM based distro like Suse, when I set up everything myself, but Ubuntustudio Lucid amd64 ships without a kernel-rt by default and non of the kernel-rt from the repositories, neither a self build kernel-rt can be booted. For Ubuntustudio I switched to their mailing list. AFAIK 64 Studio is the only DEB based distro that ships with amd64 support and that is usable, unfortunately there often were issues, because it was outdated. At the moment 3.3 is okay, but endangered to become outdated. I'll report back when 64 Studio 3.0 and 3.3 amd64 are restored on my machine and I run several tests. Cheers! Ralf _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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i spoke with a freenode staffer, and apparently someone from the 64studio team can go to http://freenode.net/group_registration_form.php and request a replacement group registration form to regain control of the IRC channel #64studio...�ALSO the staffer just suggested�http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml�...�good luck guys, and thanks again...
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 21:40 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > I have no trouble with the RT kernel in ubuntu... I use the one from > the default repos... however, I would like to discuss 64studio... I also don't have issues, regarding to a boot-able kernel-rt, when using Ubuntu Lucid or a RPM based distro like Suse, when I set up everything myself, but Ubuntustudio Lucid amd64 ships without a kernel-rt by default and non of the kernel-rt from the repositories, neither a self build kernel-rt can be booted. For Ubuntustudio I switched to their mailing list. AFAIK 64 Studio is the only DEB based distro that ships with amd64 support and that is usable, unfortunately there often were issues, because it was outdated. At the moment 3.3 is okay, but endangered to become outdated. I'll report back when 64 Studio 3.0 and 3.3 amd64 are restored on my machine and I run several tests. Cheers! Ralf _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel -- MH 828.250.0037 http://www.myspace.com/mikeholstein http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ _______________________________________________ 64studio-devel mailing list 64studio-devel@lists.64studio.com http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-devel |
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